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Mar 7 2016 12:37pm
Quote (Santara @ Mar 7 2016 11:59am)
Still more data than you have.


Well you have zero since you didn't read or comprehend the study.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 7 2016 12:37pm)
Well you have zero since you didn't read or comprehend the study.


This is greater than zero. Thanks for playing.

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from the portion of the sample with a verified vote


Quote (Master_Zappy @ Mar 7 2016 12:08pm)
You'd think the integrity of the system would mean something to them. It's principal, I dont care if if its 0.0002% or the more realistic numbers you posted of 2-6%. (more than the margin of victory in some political races)
They keep throwing out hypothetical fringe examples, which while important are outliers. Instead of blocking verification, they should just support a tax refund or some kind of credit (or even free) for the ID.


You would, but they don't give a fuck how many non-citizens vote, so long as they vote for Democrats.
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Mar 7 2016 03:35pm
Quote (Master_Zappy @ Mar 7 2016 01:08pm)
You'd think the integrity of the system would mean something to them. It's principal, I dont care if if its 0.0002% or the more realistic numbers you posted of 2-6%. (more than the margin of victory in some political races)
They keep throwing out hypothetical fringe examples, which while important are outliers. Instead of blocking verification, they should just support a tax refund or some kind of credit (or even free) for the ID.


it's a question of what is more likely to be true and who are more reliable sources

i trust jon stewart and john oliver over santara ^_^



This post was edited by duffman316 on Mar 7 2016 03:39pm
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Quote (Santara @ Mar 7 2016 12:57pm)
This is greater than zero. Thanks for playing.

You would, but they don't give a fuck how many non-citizens vote, so long as they vote for Democrats.


Had some time to read further and found this gem which you glossed over.

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Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.


In other words voter ID by your same source is ineffective. That's good to know (we have known that for a long time though).

For the record, I don't doubt there's some instances of non citizens voting. It would be an anomaly if there weren't. I think he meant there aren't many who vote.


Here's a few more things I found that were interesting

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"There are obvious limitations to our research, which one should take account of when interpreting the results. Although the CCES sample is large, the non-citizen portion of the sample is modest, with the attendant uncertainty associated with sampling error. We analyze only 828 self-reported non-citizens."


This is another example of what I said about the authors hyping results. 828 self-reported non-citizens is not a "modest" sample size. It's pathetically tiny. I understand that it's the data they got from this survey, but it's definitely not something we can draw national conclusions from.

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Finally, extrapolation to specific state-level or district-level election outcomes is fraught with substantial uncertainty. It is obviously possible that non-citizens in California are more likely to vote than non-citizens in North Carolina, or vice versa. Thus, we are much more confident that non-citizen votes mattered for the Minnesota Senate race (a turnout of little more than one-tenth of our adjusted estimate is all that would be required) than that non-citizen votes changed the outcome in North Carolina.


They admit it as well, while NC may have been affected due to the ridiculously close margins, on the whole we cannot use the data to understand if other races were swayed.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 7 2016 04:17pm
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Quote (duffman316 @ Mar 7 2016 04:35pm)
it's a question of what is more likely to be true and who are more reliable sources

i trust jon stewart and john oliver over santara ^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto


Ghost voting in the House - standard hypocritical lies - not surprised, you can smell the shit they eat when they start talking, even from Canada.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 7 2016 04:17pm)
Had some time to read further and found this gem which you glossed over.


Have you ever volunteered at a poll? Checking IDs under current frameworks is usually to verify spelling to match the person with the voter roll in front of the polling judge and has nothing to do with indicating voter eligibility. With universal requirements will come standard poll judge training on how to determine eligibility from the ID.

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For the record, I don't doubt there's some instances of non citizens voting. It would be an anomaly if there weren't. I think he meant there aren't many who vote.


2.2% of 12,000,000 illegals is over a quarter million illegal votes.
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Quote (Santara @ Mar 7 2016 06:50pm)
Have you ever volunteered at a poll? Checking IDs under current frameworks is usually to verify spelling to match the person with the voter roll in front of the polling judge and has nothing to do with indicating voter eligibility. With universal requirements will come standard poll judge training on how to determine eligibility from the ID.



2.2% of 12,000,000 illegals is over a quarter million illegal votes.


Don't you think of yourself as smart? Why are you linking to breitbart? Do you think there's a reason for why you can't get this info anywhere else? There's a huge amount of people everywhere trying to prove that voter fraud occurs, but for some reason, breitbart is the only place with the scoop.
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Mar 7 2016 06:12pm
Quote (Santara @ Mar 7 2016 05:50pm)
Have you ever volunteered at a poll? Checking IDs under current frameworks is usually to verify spelling to match the person with the voter roll in front of the polling judge and has nothing to do with indicating voter eligibility. With universal requirements will come standard poll judge training on how to determine eligibility from the ID.

2.2% of 12,000,000 illegals is over a quarter million illegal votes.


It's statements like this that prove you didn't read your own source since the applicability of this data on a national scale is specifically cautioned against.

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Don't you think of yourself as smart? Why are you linking to breitbart? Do you think there's a reason for why you can't get this info anywhere else? There's a huge amount of people everywhere trying to prove that voter fraud occurs, but for some reason, breitbart is the only place with the scoop.


Even then they can only find a study with less than 1000 respondents and have to purposefully leave out the caveats of the data analysis.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 7 2016 06:13pm
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Quote (jtf @ Mar 7 2016 06:03pm)
Don't you think of yourself as smart? Why are you linking to breitbart? Do you think there's a reason for why you can't get this info anywhere else? There's a huge amount of people everywhere trying to prove that voter fraud occurs, but for some reason, breitbart is the only place with the scoop.


Because linking to Breitbart is more fun than my first source, which was numbersusa. You know... the whole heads popping thing that's going on.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 7 2016 06:12pm)
It's statements like this that prove you didn't read your own source since the applicability of this data on a national scale is specifically cautioned against.


Zero cares given.
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