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Jul 1 2017 10:45am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jul 1 2017 11:40am)
Yes.

He went to church.

Inb4 pointless hair splitting.


In Benjamin's Franklin own autobiography he states that he is a deist.

His parents being Puritans and upbringing being religious means that he has to be of the same religion of his parents?

You could argue most of the country was Protestant because it was. But the men behind the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were heavily influenced by deist thought at the time.

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In Benjamin's Franklin own autobiography he states that he is a deist.

His parents being Puritans and upbringing being religious means that he has to be of the same religion of his parents?

You could argue most of the country was Protestant because it was. But the men behind the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were heavily influenced by deist thought at the time.


A Christo-centric Deism, but deism none the less.
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Jul 1 2017 10:58am
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A Christo-centric Deism, but deism none the less.


Deism is a philosophy. Protestantism was their religion...

Why do clueless people like you pretend to know things and then talk about them?
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A Christo-centric Deism, but deism none the less.


Depends really. Someone like Thomas Jefferson very much was against organized religion but deism is solidly recognized was a prevailing thought of many of the intellectuals of that time period.

Jefferson's beliefs and statements made about the 1st amendment in regards to religion is the biggest support for separation of church and state.

I think most Christians would agree that you can't really call yourself Christian if you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ , which a lot of Deists in the colonies asserted.

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Deism is a philosophy. Protestantism was their religion...

Why do clueless people like you pretend to know things and then talk about them?


Many of them did not personally identify to be anything typical of organized religion. Many of them rejected or didn't place importance in revelations , salvation , or even the divinity of Jesus.

The ideology behind the 1st amendment and freedom of religion was about removing any organized influence of religion. The church and state are separate entities and that religion is a personal matter and not intertwined within the state in order to protect religious liberty and the governing of the state to allow for both to operate.

And Deism is a philosophy about the topic of RELIGION.

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Jul 1 2017 11:33am
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All of the founding fathers were practicing protestants.


Not a statistical argument. Also incorrect. It is based on Enlightenment values.

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Not a statistical argument. Also incorrect. It is based on Enlightenment values.


You can lie all you want but they all went to church on sunday and followed Christian morality.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Jul 1 2017 02:22pm)
You can lie all you want but they all went to church on sunday and followed Christian morality.


You mean the Christian morals of ensuring anybody can worship any god they want? That's pretty anti Christian.
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You mean the Christian morals of ensuring anybody can worship any god they want? That's pretty anti Christian.


Separation of church and state...
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Jul 1 2017 02:29pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-greatest-threat-international-security-mi6-sir-john-sawers-herzliya-israel-security-a7805251.html

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America led by Donald Trump is the greatest menace facing the world today, Sir John Sawers, a former head of MI6, has declared, warning the policies being pursued by the divisive US President are “going to have a major disruptive effect” globally.

Sir John was speaking at the annual Herzliya security conference in Israel where senior public figures from the field of politics, military, and intelligence were asked who, in their view, presented the greatest threat to international security.


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