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Quote (fender @ 9 Jul 2017 15:45)
more dishonest right wingers chiming in with their simplistic propaganda. doesn't change the facts that these idiots are NOT representative of the whole left, no matter how many flimsy excuses you make.

the fact that you have to label me a sympathiser towards these thugs, even though i repeatedly and clearly condemned their moronic and antisocial actions, just illustrates how dishonest you are, desperately trying to justify your retarded narrative...


Well, just yesterday, there were somewhere between 50k and 76k protesters joining a march which was organised by persons who explicitly didnt distance themselves from violence in general and from the violence that had taken place the night before.
By joining this protest march, all participants expressed their support for the actions of those who you call "not representative".

here, look for yourself:

http://g20-demo.de/de/bild-unserer-demonstration/

I'll translate the description into english as best as I can:

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Wir wollen eine Demonstration, auf der sich Junge und Alte, **Menschen** mit und **ohne Papiere**, Familien, Menschen mit Handicaps usw. sicher und als Teil der gemeinsamen Bewegung für grenzenlose Solidarität fühlen können. Bei aller Unterschiedlichkeit stehen wir zusammen, gehen wir zusammen, protestieren wir zusammen.

Translation:
"We want a demonstration during which young and old, persons with and without permits, families, persons with handicaps and so on can feel safe and be part of a joint movement for solidarity without borders. In all our diversity, we stand together, walk together, protest together."

So the organisers of this demo clearly want it to convey a unified, joint message. Cling together, swing together!
Also note how they welcome participants who are in the country ilegally.

Next part:
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Das Prinzip der Solidarität aus dem Demo-Motto gilt auch nach innen: Alle Teilnehmenden sind willkommen und mit ihren unterschiedlichen Ausdrucksformen akzeptiert. Nur rechte, rassistische und andere diskriminierende Personen und Positionen sind unerwünscht. Darüber hinaus machen wir niemandem Vorschriften über Farben, Kleidungsstücke, Fahnen oder Parolen.


Translation:
"The principle of solidarity form our motto also applies within [our demo]: All participants are welcome and accepted in their different forms of expression. Only right-wing, racist or otherwise discriminating persons and positions are unwanted. Moreover, we make no rules about colors, clothing, flags or slogans."

So they explicitly welcome ALL forms of protest and expression instead of welcoming "all PEACEFUL protests". They condemn right-wing extremists, but explicitly say nothing about left-wing extremists. They explicitly allow all flags and slogans, for example antisemitic stuff or support for the kurdish PKK, which is considered a terrorist group in germany and all of europe.

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Alle beteiligten Gruppen und Spektren sind sich darüber einig, dass es sich um eine Bündnisdemonstration handelt. Wir tragen gemeinsam die politische und praktische Verantwortung für die Demonstration und für alle Teilnehmer_innen und werden unser Handeln daran ausrichten.


Translation:
"All participating groups and spectra agree that this is a joint demonstration. Together, we carry the political and practical responsibility for the demonstration and all participants and will act accordingly."

So it's not me who holds every particpant responsible for everything that happens during this demo - the organisers themselves do that!

Its the same organisers who didnt distance themselves from violence. The same organisers who were tweeting accusations towards the police while their fellow activists were laying waste to a whole quarter of Hamburg, looting shops, beating up passerby, setting cars and houses on fire, throwing rocks and shooting metal bullets at the police.



Somewhere between 50k and 76k people yesterday joint this "Cling together, swing together"-demonstration whose demo-call didnt distance itself from violence and left-wing extremism and whose organisers are quietly approving of criminal acts. Those riots were obviously not representative of the entire left, but yesterday's protests show that tens of thousands are silent sympathisers. The looters and hooligans are not just a vanishing and irrelevant minority among the left; at least the ideological support for rioting, stealing and violence is common-place among a significant percentage of the left.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 9 2017 09:32am
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Jul 9 2017 10:15am
Quote (fender @ 9 Jul 2017 17:00)
holy irony, are you serious right now?

you might want to watch that video you posted again, particularly the first minute where they stated how tens of thousands demonstrated PEACEFULLY and distanced themselves from the violent thugs within the black block.
also, the organiser who you described as "welcoming the black block", trying to misrepresent it as her condoning the violence, SPECIFICALLY stated that she does it because they promised to be peaceful - and also mentioned something you and your ilk are obviously incapable of, which is differenciating between individuals within a group and the group itself...

meanwhile every politician spoke out against the violence - so the complete opposite of your claim about our politicians "cheering for them" - you still haven't managed to provide a single source for that retarded statement...


do you really believe that nonsense?

the black block promised to be peaceful :rofl: :lol:
its gets more ridiculous with every post you make

and the statement in bold is simply a lie, as i already pointed out
even if it was true, the same people have bought a refuge for these extremists so their ACTIONS clearly indicate otherwise

Quote (fender @ 9 Jul 2017 17:15)
how delightfully hypocritical of you, as long as it concerns "the left", you are in favour of destroying someone else's property and even endangering their lives, huh? unlike you i'm able to call out the idiots on "my side" for their shit at least. right wing hypocrisy at its best...


when was the last time the right wingers blocked streets to state guests, built burning barricades and looted stores?

thats where your pathetic "argument" fails miserably
a conservative has NOTHING to distance himself from when it comes to this outrage

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Jul 9 2017 10:52am
Quote (ampoo @ 9 Jul 2017 17:15)
do you really believe that nonsense?

the black block promised to be peaceful :rofl: :lol:
its gets more ridiculous with every post you make

and the statement in bold is simply a lie, as i already pointed out
even if it was true, the same people have bought a refuge for these extremists so their ACTIONS clearly indicate otherwise



when was the last time the right wingers blocked streets to state guests, built burning barricades and looted stores?

thats where your pathetic "argument" fails miserably
a conservative has NOTHING to distance himself from when it comes to this outrage


way to avoid delivering proof for your retarded claim yet again - you can call it what you want but your claim that politicians actually "cheer for them" is simply an alternative fact.
and yes, that's what she said - obviously they massively failed on that promise, and obviously it wasn't really a surprise because idiots will be idiots, but that never was the point. you tried to misrepresent her as condoning violence when in fact the only thing you could accuse here of is being too naive when it comes to the black block.

oh and great job ignoring the part about the peaceful protesters, the people who not only spoke out against, but also had signs condemning violence even though that was not even what they originally wanted to protest against...

also, how completely expected to see yet another afd muppet sympathising with someone destroying other ppl's property and endangering their lives just because they are obviously leftists... hypocrisy levels through the roof again...
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Jul 9 2017 01:34pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 9 2017 12:53pm)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326136/Worlds-apart-Uganda-tops-list-ethnically-diverse-countries-Earth-South-Korea-comes-bottom.html


So yeah it's weird because in france we have 27% mixed marriage rate, anyway....

you think dailymail.co.uk delivered fake news ?
please confirm...


It doesn't make sense to me logically and it's from the dailymail, so I would always trust myself over their news outlet.

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Jul 9 2017 02:55pm
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way to avoid delivering proof for your retarded claim yet again - you can call it what you want but your claim that politicians actually "cheer for them" is simply an alternative fact.
and yes, that's what she said - obviously they massively failed on that promise, and obviously it wasn't really a surprise because idiots will be idiots, but that never was the point. you tried to misrepresent her as condoning violence when in fact the only thing you could accuse here of is being too naive when it comes to the black block.

oh and great job ignoring the part about the peaceful protesters, the people who not only spoke out against, but also had signs condemning violence even though that was not even what they originally wanted to protest against...

also, how completely expected to see yet another afd muppet sympathising with someone destroying other ppl's property and endangering their lives just because they are obviously leftists... hypocrisy levels through the roof again...


ok, so lets sum it up
all you can do is calling me an "afd muppet", nice """argument""" btw and false, but perhaps it will become true if you repeat another 10 times, what a joke you are
and you are still riding the "cheer" argument, which was directed at the leftist party and as all know they heavily sympathise with them so all you do is playing with words here

how about one argument from your side? even a pathetic try would be welcome for a change, cmon you can do it

nice job defending your fellow communists once again, these guys saved themselves and you portray them as the culprits? what the actual fuck, are you serious?
this is outright retarded

"when in fact the only thing you could accuse here of is being too naive when it comes to the black block"

and it takes a serious mental sickness for anyone to believe for one second that the black block is peaceful, i am laughing my ass off right now
https://www.welt.de/regionales/hamburg/article165181946/Wir-werden-uns-nicht-geschlossen-von-Gewalt-distanzieren.html
here some more input about that woman in the video

„Wir werden uns nicht geschlossen von Gewalt distanzieren. Und ich werde da auch nicht meine Freunde ausliefern.“

she says it herself and is under investigation by the german "verfassungsschutz" (federal organisation to protect the german constitution for those who dont know)

so, do you still stick with your uninformed and trivializing narrative?
its getting really embarrassing right now



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Jul 9 2017 02:57pm
Quote (dro94 @ 9 Jul 2017 19:34)
It doesn't make sense to me logically and it's from the dailymail, so I would always trust myself over their news outlet.


Daily mail is known for heavy bias that crosses the line into fake news fairly regularly.
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Jul 9 2017 03:14pm
Quote (fender @ 9 Jul 2017 09:45)
more dishonest right wingers chiming in with their simplistic propaganda. doesn't change the facts that these idiots are NOT representative of the whole left, no matter how many flimsy excuses you make.

the fact that you have to label me a sympathiser towards these thugs, even though i repeatedly and clearly condemned their moronic and antisocial actions, just illustrates how dishonest you are, desperately trying to justify your retarded narrative...


you do fit in with these thugs, given your behavior here and most likely in real life, Mr. Heinrich von Goebbels, Kaiser Schutzstaffel

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YOU'RE NOT A BIGOT FOR POINTING OUT PROBLEMS OR HAVING A DIFFERENT OPINION, YOU'RE A BIGOT FOR MAKING BIGOTED STATEMENTS!

Quote (fender @ 23 Nov 2016 16:55)
otamendi... looks like de bruyne's pathetic card waving in the 1st half payed off already... what a bunch of faggots...

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=75018691&f=205&p=509519356

Quote (fender @ 4 Feb 2017 16:15)
call me heinrich, nazi, bigot, homophobe, anti-turk



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brainwashed monkeys, haha...


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Quote (ampoo @ 9 Jul 2017 21:55)
ok, so lets sum it up
all you can do is calling me an "afd muppet", nice """argument""" btw and false, but perhaps it will become true if you repeat another 10 times, what a joke you are
and you are still riding the "cheer" argument, which was directed at the leftist party and as all know they heavily sympathise with them so all you do is playing with words here

how about one argument from your side? even a pathetic try would be welcome for a change, cmon you can do it

nice job defending your fellow communists once again, these guys saved themselves and you portray them as the culprits? what the actual fuck, are you serious?
this is outright retarded

"when in fact the only thing you could accuse here of is being too naive when it comes to the black block"

and it takes a serious mental sickness for anyone to believe for one second that the black block is peaceful, i am laughing my ass off right now
https://www.welt.de/regionales/hamburg/article165181946/Wir-werden-uns-nicht-geschlossen-von-Gewalt-distanzieren.html
here some more input about that woman in the video

„Wir werden uns nicht geschlossen von Gewalt distanzieren. Und ich werde da auch nicht meine Freunde ausliefern.“

she says it herself and is under investigation by the german "verfassungsschutz" (federal organisation to protect the german constitution for those who dont know)

so, do you still stick with your uninformed and trivializing narrative?
its getting really embarrassing right now


that moment when you get mad at me for repeatedly exposing your original argument and ignoring the dishonest pivots and deflections you made afterwards because you couldn't support it... this is hilarious...

and no, my "narrative" that the violent idiots do not represent the whole left is not uninformed at all. it is, in fact, much more informed than your simplistic right wing hate propaganda but hey, to each their own, right? i guess you won't get mad if someone claims that all you right wing afd muppets are nazis then and secretly support setting refugee homes on fire and killing foreigners, right?
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heinrich posting more homophobic and misogynist toned content, no surprise coming from someone who posts this:
Quote (fender @ 23 Nov 2016 16:55)
otamendi... looks like de bruyne's pathetic card waving in the 1st half payed off already... what a bunch of faggots...

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=75018691&f=205&p=509519356

reported, btw
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