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more dishonest right wingers chiming in with their simplistic propaganda. doesn't change the facts that these idiots are NOT representative of the whole left, no matter how many flimsy excuses you make.
the fact that you have to label me a sympathiser towards these thugs, even though i repeatedly and clearly condemned their moronic and antisocial actions, just illustrates how dishonest you are, desperately trying to justify your retarded narrative...
Well, just yesterday, there were somewhere between 50k and 76k protesters joining a march which was organised by persons who explicitly didnt distance themselves from violence in general and from the violence that had taken place the night before.
By joining this protest march, all participants expressed their support for the actions of those who you call "not representative".
here, look for yourself:
http://g20-demo.de/de/bild-unserer-demonstration/I'll translate the description into english as best as I can:
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Wir wollen eine Demonstration, auf der sich Junge und Alte, **Menschen** mit und **ohne Papiere**, Familien, Menschen mit Handicaps usw. sicher und als Teil der gemeinsamen Bewegung für grenzenlose Solidarität fühlen können. Bei aller Unterschiedlichkeit stehen wir zusammen, gehen wir zusammen, protestieren wir zusammen.
Translation:
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We want a demonstration during which young and old, persons with and without permits, families, persons with handicaps and so on can feel safe and be part of a joint movement for solidarity without borders. In all our diversity, we stand together, walk together, protest together."
So the organisers of this demo clearly want it to convey a unified, joint message. Cling together, swing together!
Also note how they welcome participants who are in the country ilegally.
Next part:
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Das Prinzip der Solidarität aus dem Demo-Motto gilt auch nach innen: Alle Teilnehmenden sind willkommen und mit ihren unterschiedlichen Ausdrucksformen akzeptiert. Nur rechte, rassistische und andere diskriminierende Personen und Positionen sind unerwünscht. Darüber hinaus machen wir niemandem Vorschriften über Farben, Kleidungsstücke, Fahnen oder Parolen.
Translation:
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The principle of solidarity form our motto also applies within [our demo]: All participants are welcome and accepted in their different forms of expression. Only right-wing, racist or otherwise discriminating persons and positions are unwanted. Moreover, we make no rules about colors, clothing, flags or slogans."
So they explicitly welcome
ALL forms of protest and expression instead of welcoming "all
PEACEFUL protests". They condemn right-wing extremists, but explicitly say nothing about left-wing extremists. They explicitly allow all flags and slogans, for example antisemitic stuff or support for the kurdish PKK, which is considered a terrorist group in germany and all of europe.
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Alle beteiligten Gruppen und Spektren sind sich darüber einig, dass es sich um eine Bündnisdemonstration handelt. Wir tragen gemeinsam die politische und praktische Verantwortung für die Demonstration und für alle Teilnehmer_innen und werden unser Handeln daran ausrichten.
Translation:
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All participating groups and spectra agree that this is a joint demonstration. Together, we carry the political and practical responsibility for the demonstration and all participants and will act accordingly."
So it's not me who holds every particpant responsible for everything that happens during this demo - the organisers themselves do that!
Its the same organisers who didnt distance themselves from violence. The same organisers who were tweeting accusations towards the police while their fellow activists were laying waste to a whole quarter of Hamburg, looting shops, beating up passerby, setting cars and houses on fire, throwing rocks and shooting metal bullets at the police.
Somewhere between 50k and 76k people yesterday joint this "Cling together, swing together"-demonstration whose demo-call didnt distance itself from violence and left-wing extremism and whose organisers are quietly approving of criminal acts. Those riots were obviously not representative of the entire left, but yesterday's protests show that tens of thousands are silent sympathisers. The looters and hooligans are not just a vanishing and irrelevant minority among the left; at least the ideological support for rioting, stealing and violence is common-place among a significant percentage of the left.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 9 2017 09:32am