And you gobble up Israeli propaganda without a second thought.

Take what the Israelis claim, and then take what the Palestinians say, and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Both sides desperately want to win this propaganda war, so both sides have a reason to distort the truth to suit their needs. Palestinians are obviously playing games with their casualty reporting, and the Israelis are doing the same by claiming 17k Hamas dead and Hamas hiding in every building they bomb.

That’s fair.
I trust my side better.

Lol your vast historical knowledge may be failing you. The scenario I presented is not only possible but would have been the norm. Christianity was banned in the Roman empire for hundreds of years after Christ, until Constantine. The empire was already in decline by this time, and would lose Rome itself a hundred years later.

The story marginalizing the death count has already been debunked earlier in the war. The death count of civilians is very high and disturbing, not something to be marginalized. Have cited it numerous times here

There was statistics done against various sources of the death count, and subsets from UN, aid organizations, IDF counts The conclusion was the numbers check out when cross referenced against more reliable subsets. This was many months ago. Numbers surely factors worse now

At one point you argued the numbers with a line of rehtoric blanketing all Palestinians as savages complicit to Hamas.


Anyways, those with power don't seem to care. The new Israel expansion into Syria... Thief will be a thief. Good move by Israel TBH, but the propaganda is pathetic

Imagine if US used the same justification to secure a buffer zone in northern Mexico?

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Dec 18 2024 12:20pm

The civilian casualty ratio is 1:1, which I believe is the best any country has achieved in the history of warfare. Regarding the area taken in Syria, Israel has stated that this was done to prevent terrorists from positioning themselves along our borders.

You may agree or disagree with this, but it’s a fact, and it doesn’t make us thieves. I’ve said this many times in this discussion, but you seem to overlook it. We’re done with empathy; we simply don’t care anymore what apologists like you think. It’s time to confront them with their own mindset.

I don’t care what the U.S. does on the Mexican border—Arabs are not Mexicans, and we don’t have the strategic depth to find out. We’re also not the U.S.; we can’t just show up, kill everyone, and get away with it.

this line specifically stands out, the US with Iraq2 and Afghanistan took a long time to backfire. both with how we carried out the invasions and the bungled occupation and rebuild.

israel is going to find out far faster how bad of an idea it is, sadly. the best revenge on Hamas would have been a 50 foot wall and 20 more years of the blockade, you literally gave them everything they wanted and more and are continuing to do so on other fronts. i respect the narrative of offensive fronts for security reasons, it just wont hold any more water in the longrun than weapons of mass destruction did.

Yes, this is categorically theft. Another factual anecdote in Israel expanding and settling lands. You don't have to agree with me, but that is what it categorically. Same with the body count, it's statistics.

You obviously care as you write back and it's not lost on you the hundreds of billions in aid US provides.

For what its worth, bravo to Israel, but the propaganda is pathetic drivel for morons.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Dec 18 2024 12:36pm

Unlike Americans, we are not outsiders here—we understand the realities on the ground. The fact that the so-called “invented people” of Gaza are openly turning against Hamas on live TV only reinforces the opposite of what you claim.



This isn’t propaganda. By calling it that, you assume I’m trying to justify myself or avoid accountability. That’s not the case. From the very beginning, I’ve made it clear: this won’t end until all the hostages are returned and Hamas lays down its arms.

If they refuse to disarm, we will continue to pursue and neutralize them.

As for Syria, call it whatever you like. We understand exactly what we’re dealing with there.

"Theft is defined as the physical removal of an object that is capable of being stolen without the consent of the owner and with the intention of depriving the owner of it permanently.".

Never said you trying to justify anything. It's the Israel states propaganda message that the reason for the theft is a secure buffer zone. Both can simultaneously be true. That is why I say bravo, seize the opportunity. It doesn't change the fact it's THEFT

one of us will be right in 10 years, most of the pro iraq war people said the same things you did. Iraq wants freedom, they said. afghans hate the taliban, they said. temporary incursion, they said.

the loss of the abraham accords did 100x more bad for your country than security against hamas ever could make up. you could get security on literally all fronts guaranteed for 20 years and still be worse off.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 18 2024 12:54pm