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Jul 24 2018 02:48pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 24 2018 12:17pm)
how far would those resources take them with an african population that grows by 700-800k per week according to official UN projections?

yes, we're using exploitive trade practices with africa and other third world countries, particularly when it comes to agriculture and natural resources. and those exploitive practices should stop, I agree with that.

What I strongly disagree with is the notion that our wealth is mostly or entirely built upon exploiting the third world. europe, north america and also east asia are far ahead of the third world in terms of technology, education, good governance, work ethic, organization and long-term thinking. natural resources and imbalanced trade are only two out of over a dozen reasons for our standard of living being higher.


There are a lot of factors, but the biggest reason why Africa is still a shit hole remains the first world.

They had some pretty big cities and advancing technology before Europe basically divided up and raped the continent.

Then the slave trade resulted in us trading them massive amounts of guns and money, which stopped over night, leaving them with only guns.....

Anywhere, there are a lot of reasons why the third world is the way it is, but universally they had large cities and prosperity relative to the rest of the world at one point until international conflict with a European or otherwise Western power of some sort or another drained or destroyed it.

Just keep in mind a massive amount of our wealth was generated from slaves, from conflict minerals allowing the computer revolution, from the spice trade, etc. etc.

It’s been going on for literally hundreds of years.
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Jul 24 2018 03:01pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 24 2018 09:22pm)
technology was not the only reason. another key factor why mankind was able to escape the "Malthusian trap" for much longer than originally predicted during the age of industrialization, is that there was still plenty of unsettled land to expand to and untapped but finite natural resources to exploit. but this world is getting pretty crowded with a world population that is approaching 10 billion by 2050, and we have NOT found the technological breakthrough yet that allows us to solve our dependency on fossile fuels and their limited availability, nor their adverse impact on the climate.


The whole point is that technology makes use of finite resources in a more efficient way. Technological progress has actually allowed the fossil fuel industry to sustain itself for far longer than anticipated only 20 years ago, due to advancements in locating untapped oil reserves and being able to convert lower quality oil into a workable product. Moreover, there are plenty of alternative energy sources (nuclear in particular) that are chronically underused because of the higher initial investment required for nuclear reactors and fossil fuels being the status quo. It's not a question of the alternatives being out there, what's more important is the willingness to invest and use them. The good thing is our hands will finally be forced when fossil fuels run out.

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not if almost the entire population growth takes place in the slums of third world countries where the "additional" babies are born into filth, misery and hopelessness.


All the more reason to help them out!
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Jul 25 2018 01:13am


The U.S. is bigger than the White House, German foreign minister says

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-usa/the-u-s-is-bigger-than-the-white-house-german-foreign-minister-says-idUSKBN1KF0MS

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BERLIN (Reuters) - The United States is bigger than the White House and U.S. President Donald Trump can not change that no matter how much he tweets, German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said on Twitter on Wednesday.
“For me, the USA is not an opponent but rather our most important partner and ally outside the EU. America is bigger than the White House. Trump will not change that either,” Maas wrote on Twitter. “He can tweet as much as he wants.”




Is Germany actually trying to "influence" the American people?
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Jul 25 2018 01:23am
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The U.S. is bigger than the White House, German foreign minister says

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-usa/the-u-s-is-bigger-than-the-white-house-german-foreign-minister-says-idUSKBN1KF0MS





Is Germany actually trying to "influence" the American people?


You are not nuanced enough to ever work out even the basics of foreign diplomacy so it would be pointless to try explain it to you.
This man is saying that even though trump is a buffoon germany still wants to have a strong relationship with america, nothing more, nothing less.
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Jul 25 2018 02:01am
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You are not nuanced enough to ever work out even the basics of foreign diplomacy so it would be pointless to try explain it to you.
This man is saying that even though trump is a buffoon germany still wants to have a strong relationship with america, nothing more, nothing less.




If you say so. LOL
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Jul 25 2018 04:05am
Quote (Plaguefear @ 25 Jul 2018 09:23)
You are not nuanced enough to ever work out even the basics of foreign diplomacy so it would be pointless to try explain it to you.
This man is saying that even though trump is a buffoon germany still wants to have a strong relationship with america, nothing more, nothing less.


this, but he does so in a tone that quite clearly translates to "fuck trump". but its no wonder, Heiko Maas is a pathetic little fellow, a disgrace who openly sympathizes with and supports antifa and internet censorship. on every policy field except for economic policy, heiko maas would stand somewhere to the left of She Guevara.
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Jul 25 2018 04:39am
Quote (Ghot @ 25 Jul 2018 09:13)
The U.S. is bigger than the White House, German foreign minister says

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-usa/the-u-s-is-bigger-than-the-white-house-german-foreign-minister-says-idUSKBN1KF0MS





Is Germany actually trying to "influence" the American people?


our politicians with their moral imperialism try to tell pretty much everyone what they have to do
nothing new here
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Jul 25 2018 11:01am
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I agree. The West and countries like the former satellite states and South Korea really take American military protection for granted. There has been an unfair anti-american sentiment in the West since the Iraq war, and it's not just from people of a Muslim background like the stupid french guy that frequents here.




lolled at this though :D
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Jul 25 2018 11:12am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 24 2018 02:22pm)
technology was not the only reason. another key factor why mankind was able to escape the "Malthusian trap" for much longer than originally predicted during the age of industrialization, is that there was still plenty of unsettled land to expand to and untapped but finite natural resources to exploit. but this world is getting pretty crowded with a world population that is approaching 10 billion by 2050, and we have NOT found the technological breakthrough yet that allows us to solve our dependency on fossile fuels and their limited availability, nor their adverse impact on the climate.


not if almost the entire population growth takes place in the slums of third world countries where the "additional" babies are born into filth, misery and hopelessness.



edit: there is also the issue of deteriorating soils, food and nutrition, as explained in the following, excellent article:
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/09/13/food-nutrients-carbon-dioxide-000511

a highly recommended read!


i disagree, although from a technological standpoint not a pragmatic/financial standpoint.

coal as a means to create electricity can be largely eliminated with solar/win/nuclear from a technological standpoint. and gas cars can be eliminated by electricity. the issue is societal norms and infrastructure. creating charging stations, reducing speed limits (means increasing travel time generally), etc is an issue. but it's not technologically held back, its society and the pricepoint.
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Jul 25 2018 11:22am
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i disagree, although from a technological standpoint not a pragmatic/financial standpoint.

coal as a means to create electricity can be largely eliminated with solar/win/nuclear from a technological standpoint. and gas cars can be eliminated by electricity. the issue is societal norms and infrastructure. creating charging stations, reducing speed limits (means increasing travel time generally), etc is an issue. but it's not technologically held back, its society and the pricepoint.


technology that isnt practical is not a viable alternative. take electric cars as an example:

the range still isnt enough for a simple vacation trip, charging when on the road/away from home is still a huge issue. just think about the beginning of the summer vacations, every car on the streets is an E-car, and they all have to take a break to recharge their batteries at some roadhouse - where are the hundred or thousands of necessary charging stations supposed to be?

another issue is that electric cars still cannot be made with a good climate balance - you still need over 2/3rds of an average car's lifespan just to make up for the pollution created during the e-car's production.

oh, and if we were to switch over the majority of the world's individual transportation to E-cars, this would require more coltan and other rare earths than available on the planet.

In my opinion, cars with a hydrogen fuel cell engine are the more promising technology. the hydrogen can be created in climate-friendly fashion via solar power, and then shipped to the customers like oil.
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