In this entirely fictional and hypothetical scenario of a righteous family who built a nation which was isolated from the world (which is not possible), this would happen. They would be a very different parallel society, which would be extremely technologically inferior - think Amish people. And they'd still be making blood sacrifices. They wouldn't have the same Christian society because they didn't have the contribution of the world - Christianity was spread across Rome and all corners of the Earth, and with that came the physical and intellectual contributions of all the world's peoples.

If that family was isolated from the rest of the "Jewish" cult of the time, they'd be fine. If not, they wouldn't be fine as they would have adopted and imbibed the laws of their overlords over the centuries.

This post was edited by El1te on Dec 15 2024 10:40pm

No the Romans killed jesus

Okay 🤦

The claim that Christianity is the continuation of “Judaism” and that modern Judaism descends from a “radical fringe Satanic cult” misrepresents both historical and theological facts.

Judaism and Christianity share common roots in the Hebrew Bible, but they developed as distinct religious traditions after the 1st century CE. Early followers of Jesus, many of whom were Jewish, viewed his teachings as a fulfillment of Jewish prophecy. However, the majority of Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah, leading to a split. Christianity evolved into a separate religion, incorporating elements of Greco-Roman culture and theology, while Judaism continued to develop within the framework of its own traditions, including the Oral Torah, later codified in the Talmud.

Modern Judaism is not a deviation or a fringe movement. It represents the continuous evolution of the ancient Israelite religion, adapted to life after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE. The Talmud, far from being a “radical” creation, is a foundational text of Jewish law, ethics, and theology, compiled by rabbis seeking to preserve Jewish traditions in the face of Roman oppression.

Christianity, while initially rooted in Jewish teachings, introduced radically new doctrines, such as the divinity of Jesus and the concept of the Trinity, which are not present in Judaism. By the 4th century CE, Christianity was recognized as distinct, particularly after it became the official religion of the Roman Empire under Constantine.

The claim that modern Judaism stems from a “Satanic cult” is not only baseless but also rooted in antisemitic conspiracy theories. Such rhetoric distorts history and ignores the rich, continuous traditions of Jewish practice and thought, which predate Christianity by centuries.

The Talmud is not a “reformation” but a record of rabbinic discussions that codified Jewish law and ethics over centuries. It reflects a commitment to preserving Jewish identity and tradition in the face of historical challenges, not a radical departure from earlier beliefs.

In summary, Judaism and Christianity are separate, fully developed religions with overlapping origins but distinct paths. Claims dismissing Judaism as a “cult” or portraying it as illegitimate rely on discredited narratives that lack historical credibility.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Dec 15 2024 11:50pm

That truth is slowly coming out


This post was edited by Many_Names on Dec 16 2024 02:24am

Like people didn’t knew that already..
Palestinian defence line is:
A. Numbers are approved by international organizations (as in UNWRA for example)
B. It’s a Zionist scheme.
C. There are enough deaths anyways

As for B we can’t really debate about, A is interesting given that most of those international organisations workers are Gazan themselves.
At the beginning of this thread people pointed out “experts” in human rights are providing the reports which proclaim them to be unbiased and true. That’s of course complete nonsense to begin with since the numbers to begin with are wrong..

C is true. What can we do.. war is hell.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Dec 16 2024 02:58am

What is enough death? Is there a number you can put on death to say enough is enough?
10? 10,000, 500,000?

Enough is when your enemy raises white flag if you are a democracy, and for dictatorships its extermination

This post was edited by Many_Names on Dec 16 2024 03:34am

Lets see what the article says:

The Gaza ministry of health has estimated that more than 44,000 people have been killed since Israel launched its military response to the Oct 7 Hamas attacks.

The Henry Jackson Society found that, based on Israeli and US military and intelligence reports, around 17,000 of these were Hamas fighters, but claims that this has been frequently overlooked in media reports.

The report found numerous statistical anomalies and inaccuracies. Researchers say that around 5,000 natural deaths, which would have happened even without the conflict, appear to have been added to the list of casualties, including cancer patients who later appeared on lists of those still receiving hospital treatment.

Other errors – some of which were later rectified by the ministry – include adult casualties being recorded as children and several men being wrongly recorded as women, thereby artificially increasing the number of women and children recorded as killed.

Researchers, who established that the majority of those killed were men aged 15-45, said they found a pattern of victims’ ages being revised downwards by at least one year when compared to data on the Palestinian Population Register in an apparent attempt to inflate the number of children recorded as killed.

Palestinian representatives have rejected the report’s claims as a “morally and professionally repugnant” way of defending Israel’s actions in Gaza.

Dr Husam Zomlot, the head of the Palestine Mission to the United Kingdom, said: “Numerous international organisations and UN agencies – including the WHO – have not only confirmed these numbers, they’ve made the point that they are severely underestimated.

Because we don’t how many people are still buried under the rubble or have been killed indirectly as a result of Israel’s targeting of the health sector undermining all healthcare provision, the imposed famine and the wholesale destruction of infrastructure that has left 1.9 million people homeless.”

A BBC spokesman said: “It is challenging to report accurately on the death toll in Gaza as Israel does not allow independent access to international journalists. BBC News is clear and transparent in sourcing the figures which are available and attributing them to the Hamas-run health authority.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/14/number-civilians-killed-gaza-inflated-to-vilify-israel/

So, most likely, only inflated marginally, which should be obvious to anyone paying attention. The only thing the Palestinians have got going for them at this point is their propaganda winning in the west.

I personally dont believe that 17k hamas members have been killed.

You know that I’m with you on this. I’m all for taking enough toll on the enemy that is such unbearable for him that he will be forced to surrender.
But you have to admit that when woman and children are dead it’s a bad thing. It’s something that we will not be able to explain. The west simply forgot how to win wars and de facto forces the Palestinian situation to stay as it is.
Now the west will see Syria and how they handle their stuff. We’ll see the rebels causing enough violence to Assad supporters and/or infidels in the name of the new rule.

Then you believe the Palestinian propaganda.
My feed is full with 14-15 years old Palestinian “kids” holding weapons with headband of ISIS or Hamas. If they are killed most likely they’ll be tagged as children.
And before anyone jumps over to the same old you create more terror with your violence, the PLO just killed 14 years old Muhammad Al-Amar in Jenin (West bank). He has 2 M16 and Isis head band in the photos.
Using children is a common practice.