Quote (Shadowoffury @ Dec 15 2024 07:25pm)

Everyone. Tons of prophecies about the messiah in the old testament which are not fulfilled by the coming of Jesus, which is the reasoning behind jews not believing he was the messiah. Isaiah 2:4, for example, claims the coming of the messiah will see an end to war for mankind, as well as a couple other things Jesus didn't do. "He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide disputes for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore"

Edit: Christians explain this with the "second coming" theory, which is fine. You can believe whatever you'd like, but you claimed that Judaism was Christianity before the coming of Christ, which is quite literally nonsense.

Quote (El1te @ Dec 15 2024 10:37pm)

Jewish people were literally the only people (along with the highest Zoroastrian Magi) who believed in the Torah prophecised Messiah. This really isn't hard man I really dont know if you're just being contrarian here. Modern-day Jews follow the Talmud as their central text, not the Bible (which was the Torah, together with the NT). What are you even talking about here? Jesus ending wars is another discussion and war was really quite brutal back then

Your explanation means you're Jewish?

Quote (Shadowoffury @ Dec 15 2024 07:46pm)

My explanation doesn't mean I'm jewish, although I am.

Most modern jews don't believe the torah was written by god, but it's still a central text of the faith. Orthodox jews do believe that the Torah was written by god, and therefore observe the old laws. Honestly, most modern jews are like most modern christians and know very little about their own religion.

Quote (El1te @ Dec 15 2024 10:46pm)

Beyond parody

You entered this discussion in bad faith

Quote (Shadowoffury @ Dec 15 2024 07:53pm)

That's not true. I don't believe you know what those words even mean, so how about you google it and then tell me how I entered this discussion in bad faith.

You said something that is clearly nonsense, that Judaism was Christianity before the coming of Christ, and I pointed out that it's nonsense. Where is the bad faith?

Now you have repeatedly refused to defend your own nonsense. As far as I can tell you don't want to be a part of the discussion, that's alright with me and I don't blame you. I'd resent being expected to defend my points if they were that dumb too.

Quote (El1te @ Dec 15 2024 10:59pm)

If you entered in good faith, you're a dimwit with zero knowledge of critical world history. Either way it doesn't work out in your favour

That's why you're beyond parody

Quote (Shadowoffury @ Dec 15 2024 08:02pm)

Alright, I'll accept that I'm beyond parody if that's what it takes to get you to try to explain how Judaism could have possibly been Christianity before the coming of Christ? Your vast knowledge of critical world history should help you out.

Quote (El1te @ Dec 15 2024 11:08pm)

I already said it, read. The religion which was once called Judaism became known as Christianity after the coming and revelation of Jesus.

Like I said this really isn't hard. Modern day "Judaism" is descended from a radical fringe Satanic cult which held power over the land of Israel during the time of Jesus, which was later destroyed by the Romans, followed by their reformation under the Talmud. That's it.

Quote (Shadowoffury @ Dec 15 2024 08:13pm)

If Judaism "became known as" Christianity, this implies that the name changed while the substance remained the same. Is this true? So a jewish family living secluded who never heard of christ suddenly became christian, without ever knowing it?

Quote (El1te @ Dec 15 2024 11:18pm)

That is true. I go to church every Sunday and most sermons and messages involve people and writings from the BC epoch. Its just shocking if you didn't actually know this.

If that Jewish family knew God and held to His laws, but never knew Christ, they would be Christians in spirit. If they considered themselves Jewish in present times, that would be an example of a righteous family being deceived.