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Quote (WhiteSouned @ Dec 7 2024 11:49pm)
I didn’t mean that you won’t admit on being wrong.
I just wanted to put a time line to your theory. You are not the only one who thinks this way.


I'm not sure on a timeline. I think the IDF moving into the Golan Heights and adhering to promises to protect people in Hader can go many different ways depending on what the fallout is from all of this. Many variables in a rapidly developing situation.

Edit: Already seeing reports that the IDF is helping UN Peace Keepers who were experiencing attacks by Syrian rebel groups.

Quote (Many_Names @ Dec 7 2024 11:51pm)
Since there was never a Palestinian state and this land was taken from Jordan, it is our land, and we will build on it as we see fit until an agreement is reached.

Currently, however, the Arabs in Judea and Samaria are preoccupied with internal violence and sacrificing their children for their cause.


That is a justification for territory expansion not connected to defensive warfare.

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I'm not sure on a timeline. I think the IDF moving into the Golan Heights and adhering to promises to protect people in Hader can go many different ways depending on what the fallout is from all of this. Many variables in a rapidly developing situation.



That is a justification for territory expansion not connected to defensive warfare.


Its not justification nor expansion we are defacto the owners of a land taken on 1967 from Jordan after they attacked us
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Its not justification nor expansion we are defacto the owners of a land taken on 1967 from Jordan after they attacked us


I can only speculate that you don't view the structures central to this discussion as 'settlements' but instead as some kind of reclaiming of stolen land.

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I can only speculate that you don't view the structures central to this discussion as 'settlements' but instead as some kind of reclaiming of stolen land.


I am not reclaiming anything—I am already there. I fought the war in 1967 to take it from the Jordanians.,
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Quote (Many_Names @ Dec 8 2024 12:10am)
I am not reclaiming anything—I am already there. I fought the war in 1967 to take it from the Jordanians.,


What do you think about Israel's withdrawal from land since 1967?
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What do you think about Israel's withdrawal from land since 1967?


An agreement that is not upheld by both sides ceases to exist.

When an agreement no longer exists, the benefits it provided cannot automatically remain intact.

If they want the land, they must choose to make peace. Otherwise, they can continue aligning themselves with Iran, Syria, and Lebanon.
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An agreement that is not upheld by both sides ceases to exist.

When an agreement no longer exists, the benefits it provided cannot automatically remain intact.

If they want the land, they must choose to make peace. Otherwise, they can continue aligning themselves with Iran, Syria, and Lebanon.


Do you think Israel should have made those withdrawals, or are they historical mistakes in decision making?
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Do you think Israel should have made those withdrawals, or are they historical mistakes in decision making?


Israel should have withdrawn and made efforts to create a lasting peace with the local Arabs. However, their true goal seems to be control over the entire land from the river to the sea, not genuine peace. Therefore, we should continue building and expanding in our territory—since Oslo is dead it remains ours until a mutual agreement is reached.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Dec 8 2024 05:51am)
I am not convinced of this, but I am open to being convinced. Revisionist Zionism and what it envisions as Eretz Yisrael seems territorially expansionist, and Israeli leaders (including Netanyahu) have used the map of "The New Middle East" that shows Israel's border being significantly expanded. They've also subjugated Palestinian people and the IDF does not interfere with illegal settlement expansion at best, and outwardly supports and protects it at worst.


As i said, my prediction is that Israel will claim parts of Gaza, and will continue to steal from the West Bank. I predict this to occur within 12 months and I am happy to be proven wrong. ill even go so far as to say i will ignore the daily theft in the west bank - Israel WILL STEAL land in Gaza. Its what they do.

Oct 7th was not an invasion, so the whole notion of Israel at war with a right to defend itself is laughable and hypocritical noting it is so easy for any sane person to refute. Israel is waging war, israel is the aggressor.

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As i said, my prediction is that Israel will claim parts of Gaza, and will continue to steal from the West Bank. I predict this to occur within 12 months and I am happy to be proven wrong. ill even go so far as to say i will ignore the daily theft in the west bank - Israel WILL STEAL land in Gaza. Its what they do.

Oct 7th was not an invasion, so the whole notion of Israel at war with a right to defend itself is laughable and hypocritical noting it is so easy for any sane person to refute. Israel is waging war, israel is the aggressor.


October 7th was an invasion—I have lost enough friends to attest to that. Israel will do whatever is necessary to secure its borders, and if that doesn’t sit well with you, that’s your problem.

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