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Feb 15 2020 12:56pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 15 2020 10:22am)
Cartoonish accusations like these are what is turning off moderates to the Dem ticket these days.



He is a liar here it seems.

Trump did the right thing given the situation though. He didn't do anything illegal in Ukraine. And Dishonest people (the media) aren't always worth telling the truth to.



What you know he want to. He so wanted to have relations with his daughter. Crown idea of the Epstein parties
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Feb 15 2020 01:47pm
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Dishonest people (the media) aren't always worth telling the truth to.



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What you know he want to. He so wanted to have relations with his daughter. Crown idea of the Epstein parties


Yea, but he didn't. Why can't liberals understand hypotheticals? Its possible to want something but choose not do it.

We're not allowed to think anymore?
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Yea, but he didn't. Why can't liberals understand hypotheticals? Its possible to want something but choose not do it.

We're not allowed to think anymore?


you clearly don't so maybe leave it for other people LOL
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you clearly don't so maybe leave it for other people LOL


Calm down on the insults home slice. You don't have to lash out every time you're wrong.
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you clearly don't so maybe leave it for other people LOL


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Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 16 2020 07:22am)
Yea, but he didn't. Why can't liberals understand hypotheticals? Its possible to want something but choose not do it.

We're not allowed to think anymore?


eww.
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Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 15 2020 12:01am)
Obama was a far (incomprehensibly) better politician, of course he wasn't going to get caught in ridiculous situations like Trump has repeatedly found himself in.

But Democratic media covered up for his policy failures for years. The difference between Trump, Bush, and Obama is that Trump is fundamentally crass and unacceptable to the political class. That's why executive orders under Bush and Obama went through, and executive orders under Trump are tied up in courts trying to decide what the executive's "intent" behind the order was or is. People like Barr are fundamentally on the right side, trying to protect the Executive's legitimate authority. You don't get to decide that the president doesn't have certain powers because you dislike who the voters put in office.


Well yes, he was a better politician. He was also a better man. I guess if you don't want to detach yourself from the belief that Obama was an evil socialist, you can just say he was smart enough to not blatantly abuse his power.

I didn't follow Bush and Obama closely enough to know if they didn't face judicial resistance on executive orders. But here's the thing... you can't argue that Trump is a disruptor who shakes up the system and then simultaneously argue that the resistance he receives is some sort of unfair singling out. Pick one. If he's shaking things up more than Obama or Bush, the judicial pushback would obviously be greater.

And I'm not sure how this tangent even relates to my original argument.
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Well yes, he was a better politician. He was also a better man. I guess if you don't want to detach yourself from the belief that Obama was an evil socialist, you can just say he was smart enough to not blatantly abuse his power.

I didn't follow Bush and Obama closely enough to know if they didn't face judicial resistance on executive orders. But here's the thing... you can't argue that Trump is a disruptor who shakes up the system and then simultaneously argue that the resistance he receives is some sort of unfair singling out. Pick one. If he's shaking things up more than Obama or Bush, the judicial pushback would obviously be greater.

And I'm not sure how this tangent even relates to my original argument.


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