https://nypost.com/2022/06/27/portland-pregnancy-center-mistakenly-attacked-by-pro-abortion-rights-militants/amp/

https://www.foxnews.com/media/portland-abortion-protesters-target-pregnancy-support-center-violence-horrible

Portland pregnancy center ‘mistakenly’ attacked by pro-abortion-rights militants



the pro-abortion on demand krew is now attacking pregnancy and family non-profit support centers in solid blue states. these pro-abortionists enjoy attacking places that take provide support to familes/babies/children and attempting to harm or injure parents who are pro-choice and chose to have babies.

the people doing these attacks and the tens of millions who have the same ideology them were never pro-choice. only pro-abortion. if you “make the ‘incorrect’ choice” then you are the enemy to the pale pasty privileged lefties.

It was a mistake at first when they thought they were targeting a pro-life christian pregnancy center. When they realized it was a pro-choice christian pregnancy center, they justified the attack anyways because they're christophobic.
Its not really about supporting women's right to abortions. If a woman actually campaigned for women's rights and women's healthcare, these guys would call her a terf and attack her anyway.
Its just the most basic tribalism. They hate christians, they hate republicans, they hate straight white women. They don't need a reason beyond that.

trying to get my head around this

As I understand it, it was a ruling following party lines, with republican justices seeking to ban abortion and democratic justices seeking to leave as is. is this correct?

1. This ruling was not formed in a vacuum. what event or events led to this ruling ? i mean the original ruling is decades old.
2. Will other laws that were made decades ago now also be fair game ?
3. Is there any avenue to row back on this, either the people of a state or the government ?
4. I heard mention of increasing the number of supreme court judges, but even if they want to go down that road it will take years correct?
4. If in some warped world all the elected politicians in the US wanted to overturn this ruling (they wont) what would the mechanism be ? As I understand it even if the democrats won by a landslide (unlikely) what avenue can they pursue to reverse this decision?
5. What does this mean for contraceptives ? will they ban those too?

6. My understanding is that there will be a separate law in each state ? with its own wording in each state ?
7. its expected to be a ban on every type of abortion, or in some states "most" types of abortion. is there any sane ones re XX weeks ?
8. Will people be allowed to leave their state to have an abortion and then return, without being convicted ?
9. Broadly just under 1/2 of the states are (soon or already) bringing in a no-abortion law that they had shelved for decades ?

In the round i see this as a win for conservative "old" republican values and the loss of rights for women in the US. I am unsure how much of the rest of the developed world will follow suit. I would tend to believe some will mirror this ruling and that equal rights and progressive policies will be stifled for a while.

/full disclosure my position is a woman can do w/e the hell she wants with her own body.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 28 2022 11:00am

1. The supreme court’s job is to view laws and rule if they follow the constitution or not. The original roe v wade ruling was not constitutional.
2. The Supreme Court exists for this reason. Every law ever passed is fair game.
3. An amendment to the constitution is the only constitutional way to enshrine abortion as a right.
4. This will likely never happen.
4. Amendment to the constitution. Very difficult process.
5. No.
6. This is how the United States works.
7. This is very common when people don’t understand what roe v wade actually was. It forced every state to allow abortion on demand until at least week 12ish. That is it.
8. Some states will, without a doubt ban abortions. Missouri being the first to flat out ban all abortions if I recall. That being said most states’ abortion laws will remain unchanged or become even less restrictive in response to this.

This is not the end to abortion. This is literally the judicial branch saying we do not have the power to decide this. Politically motivated outrage says the exact opposite, saying the judicial branch is grasping power. They are literally taking power away from themselves. Most arguments in favor of upholding roe are extremely dishonest.

Also, the way you view Republican women is pretty insulting. It is clear you do not understand the conservative argument, or the fact that the pro life (I don’t like calling it pro life, I prefer anti-abortion) movement is led by majority women.

This post was edited by YeeHaw on Jun 28 2022 10:55am

yes thanks for that, one final question - traveling to a state to have an abortion, we had this issue in Ireland, and indeed there is a Malta story doing the rounds right now, i accept that America is quite conservative, do you envisage a scenario where people will be denied travel or prosecuted for having an abortion in a state where its legal to do so?

also apologies if I was blunt with my sentiment, i will remove it but leave a reference to it in this post. here:

(removed from above post) - > "Republican women will either vote democrat (in which case the democratic party needs to have a credible plan to reverse this) or they will continue doing as they are told". (I would tend to believe the latter will occur).

I accept that above might trigger people, so to rephrase: "People will either vote democrat (in which case the democratic party needs to have a credible plan to reverse this) or they are going to be out on the streets protesting (i dont see this doing any good) or, the majority of people will just live with it" (I would tend to believe the latter will occur).


I would however hope that you understood what I was saying. (i.e. that broadly alot of people(more republican then democrat) are "OK" with this ruling and that therefore this ruling will not be reversed.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 28 2022 11:07am

Most states that are pro-abortion have already stated that they will NOT honor other state's request for aid in prosecuting those going to different states for abortions.
So far, we have to assume that a person that did go to a different state for an abortion... will probably be prosecuted (if possible) when they return to their state.

The difficulty I can see for the state with anti abortion laws, would be how to "prove" that the person that left the state actually had an abortion.
I mean it would be obvious that those people were no longer pregnant, but I don't know if that's enough for the courts to prosecute.
Like... there would be no medical records "proving" that an abortion operation was performed.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jun 28 2022 11:04am

yea but the person having the abortion will want to go home at some point right ?

See my addition to above post. I type slowly.


We'll have to see how it plays out in court the first few times.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jun 28 2022 11:07am

its fine, i edit my posts alot xD

i edited above #1314 and clarified in #1316, hope this is more moderate.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 28 2022 11:08am