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Feb 14 2020 07:01pm
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Geraldo Rivera: “Was it strange to send Rudy Giuliani to Ukraine, your personal lawyer? Are you sorry you did that?”

Trump: “No, not at all."


Trump denied sending Giuliani to Ukraine for months. Trump is a liar.
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Feb 14 2020 07:12pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Feb 14 2020 05:01pm)
Trump denied sending Giuliani to Ukraine for months. Trump is a liar.


not 1 tRump supporter cares.. they would literally be ok if he shot somebody
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Feb 14 2020 10:51pm
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I agree, and Obama had somewhat of a cult-like following. The difference is one of magnitude as you say, and also the lack of loyal propagandists in the media. Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow are biased, but they wouldn't turn reality on it's head to defend Bernie or Warren, like Trump's propagandists do.


It's honest to God astounding that you say these things unironically. It makes me stop for a second and question whether I'm actually sane, or whether I've just imagined years of my life and it all never really happened.

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Trump denied sending Giuliani to Ukraine for months. Trump is a liar.


Yes.
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Feb 14 2020 10:53pm
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It's honest to God astounding that you say these things unironically. It makes me stop for a second and question whether I'm actually sane, or whether I've just imagined years of my life and it all never really happened.


Hayes and Maddow would never pretend that blatant corruption from a president was completely fine. See: Ukraine and Russiagate.
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Feb 14 2020 11:01pm
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Hayes and Maddow would never pretend that blatant corruption from a president was completely fine. See: Ukraine and Russiagate.


Obama was a far (incomprehensibly) better politician, of course he wasn't going to get caught in ridiculous situations like Trump has repeatedly found himself in.

But Democratic media covered up for his policy failures for years. The difference between Trump, Bush, and Obama is that Trump is fundamentally crass and unacceptable to the political class. That's why executive orders under Bush and Obama went through, and executive orders under Trump are tied up in courts trying to decide what the executive's "intent" behind the order was or is. People like Barr are fundamentally on the right side, trying to protect the Executive's legitimate authority. You don't get to decide that the president doesn't have certain powers because you dislike who the voters put in office.
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Feb 14 2020 11:39pm
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Obama was a far (incomprehensibly) better politician, of course he wasn't going to get caught in ridiculous situations like Trump has repeatedly found himself in.

But Democratic media covered up for his policy failures for years. The difference between Trump, Bush, and Obama is that Trump is fundamentally crass and unacceptable to the political class. That's why executive orders under Bush and Obama went through, and executive orders under Trump are tied up in courts trying to decide what the executive's "intent" behind the order was or is. People like Barr are fundamentally on the right side, trying to protect the Executive's legitimate authority. You don't get to decide that the president doesn't have certain powers because you dislike who the voters put in office.



BS the president has no business judging and getting the state department involved with a case of one of his friends. I can’t believe you guys try and defend this. Legitimate authority. Give me a break
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BS the president has no business judging and getting the state department involved with a case of one of his friends. I can’t believe you guys try and defend this. Legitimate authority. Give me a break


What are you talking about?
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Feb 15 2020 11:37am
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What are you talking about?


Attorney General William Barr threw his Justice Department into turmoil this week as he seized control of cases tied to Donald Trump, risking a rebellion within the ranks, and publicly criticized the president amid accusations both men have politicized America’s top law enforcement agency.
In the span of five days, Barr revealed that he’s established a private channel for Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to relay his allegations on Ukraine and ordered prosecutors to reduce their sentencing recommendation for Trump associate Roger Stone. News also surfaced that Barr has moved to review the prosecution of Michael Flynn, the president’s first national security adviser.
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Feb 15 2020 12:00pm
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not 1 tRump supporter cares.. they would literally be ok if he shot somebody


He could grab their daughter's by the pussy and they just don't care.
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Feb 15 2020 12:22pm
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He could grab their daughter's by the pussy and they just don't care.


Cartoonish accusations like these are what is turning off moderates to the Dem ticket these days.

Quote (ThatAlex @ Feb 14 2020 08:01pm)
Trump denied sending Giuliani to Ukraine for months. Trump is a liar.


He is a liar here it seems.

Trump did the right thing given the situation though. He didn't do anything illegal in Ukraine. And Dishonest people (the media) aren't always worth telling the truth to.
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