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Shhhhh you need a voter ID.

So you're just mad about being called racist for supporting voter id? Like you don't care about it's merits as policy?

Its impossible to have productive discussions with people that resort to ineffectual and banal arguments like those. At that point I just shout them down like the thugs they are.

Its also the only argument they have. What empirical or a priori model supports the converse?

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I think you're way oversimplifying things if you think the only reason people disapprove of voter id is that they think it's racist.

Alright. Lets tone it down and start with the yours. You say that its irrelevant because not everyone uses ID for other prominent services. As Santara pointed out a good portion don't even vote so it really would be a moderate measure to enact.

The big plus though is it prevents voting demographics from forming that have no stake in the system and no vested interest in its continual. I haven't heard any short term positives that can trump the importance of that.

this just a way of saying it's good to prevent poor people from voting?

What do you mean by people that have no stake in the system? What is "the system"? Like, capitalism in general?

Not really. Poor people can work any two part time chicken jobs to make a living wage and buy an ID.

What creates no vested interest in the system is welfare.

At a baser problem, we should have government agencies to directly train and employ people like in Germany.



Yes, and also the government policy that regulates that market. If you don't create any of the capital, you shouldn't decide how other people have to use theirs, its a conflict of interest.