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Jun 29 2017 07:57pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 30 Jun 2017 02:51)
You have a very naive view here.

If you cannot easily acquire the means to kill, you are less likely to kill. If you have to put extensive effort to carrying out the act (like with a baseball bat) you are less likely to kill. If you have the means to kill easily and in an impersonal way, you are more likely to kill.


True, to commit to a kill with a baseball bat, requires extreme mental effort and devotion to go through with the horrors evolving in from of you.. It's very different.

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You have a very naive view here.

If you cannot easily acquire the means to kill, you are less likely to kill. If you have to put extensive effort to carrying out the act (like with a baseball bat) you are less likely to kill. If you have the means to kill easily and in an impersonal way, you are more likely to kill.


Oh that makes so much more sense... every day there are just hundreds of people, saying to themselves, "man i would totally kill another human being today if only it were a little easier, like, if just had to move my finger yeah totally, but not my whole arm" because murder is the equivallent of changing the channel on a television without the remote control. Really you should try to take a step back and ask yourself why you believe such idiotic things.
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Jun 29 2017 08:02pm
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Oh that makes so much more sense... every day there are just hundreds of people, saying to themselves, "man i would totally kill another human being today if only it were a little easier, like, if just had to move my finger yeah totally, but not my whole arm" because murder is the equivallent of changing the channel on a television without the remote control. Really you should try to take a step back and ask yourself why you believe such idiotic things.


I can explain

he thought hed be a doctor and hillary would have won in a landslide by now. He also makes fun of those who work for a living.

hes on state subsidy and Trump is President. He still cant get an interview . Hes a little fella who calls himself "thor" on the internet
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Jun 29 2017 08:03pm
Quote (RiskOfFire @ Jun 29 2017 07:57pm)
Oh that makes so much more sense... every day there are just hundreds of people, saying to themselves, "man i would totally kill another human being today if only it were a little easier, like, if just had to move my finger yeah totally, but not my whole arm" because murder is the equivallent of changing the channel on a television without the remote control. Really you should try to take a step back and ask yourself why you believe such idiotic things.


So you're saying that if you made killing easier more people wouldn't do it? Either in the heat of the moment or premeditated?
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Jun 29 2017 08:10pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 29 2017 10:03pm)
So you're saying that if you made killing easier more people wouldn't do it? Either in the heat of the moment or premeditated?


It's easier to kill someone with a car than with a gun, your reasoning is flawed. I'll answer it anyway. When gangmembers, drug dealers, and career criminals (the extreme majority of murderers) decide to kill, the ease of it provided by a firearm is irrelevant, they would merely choose another method without the gun, therefor banning guns will not signifigantly reduce violence. It will only reduce your irrelevant and deceitful "gun violence" statistic... and even then it wouldnt because banning guns will not prevent that type of people from obtaining them.



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It's easier to kill someone with a car than with a gun, your reasoning is flawed. I'll answer it anyway. When gangmembers, drug dealers, and career criminals (the extreme majority of murderers) decide to kill, the ease of it provided by a firearm is irrelevant, they would merely choose another method without the gun, therefor banning guns will not signifigantly reduce violence. It will only reduce your irrelevant and deceitful "gun violence" statistic... and even then it wouldnt because banning guns will not prevent that type of people from obtaining them.


It's not easier to kill somebody with a car. You can't bring a car into a house. It's pretty clear you're emotionally compromised since you keep saying things like this that are out of touch with reality.

Gang violence accounts for a large percentage, but not all of gun violence. I agree that in our current system gun regulations wouldn't affect that portion of homicides. We'd need a giant buyback and confiscation scheme to happen.

I did some quick googling and found

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So, do we have a gang problem or a gun problem? Data collected by the National Gang Center, the government agency responsible for cataloging gang violence, makes clear that it’s the latter. There were 1,824 gang-related killings in 2011. This total includes deaths by means other than a gun. The Bureau of Justice Statistics finds this number to be even lower, identifying a little more than 1,000 gang-related homicides in 2008. In comparison, there were 11,101 homicides and 19,766 suicides committed with firearms in 2011.


So your assertion that the biggest issue is gang violence done with guns is, as far as I can tell, just incorrect. I'm open to being corrected though if you have better data.
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Jun 29 2017 08:30pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 29 2017 10:22pm)
It's not easier to kill somebody with a car. You can't bring a car into a house. It's pretty clear you're emotionally compromised since you keep saying things like this that are out of touch with reality.

Gang violence accounts for a large percentage, but not all of gun violence. I agree that in our current system gun regulations wouldn't affect that portion of homicides. We'd need a giant buyback and confiscation scheme to happen.

I did some quick googling and found



So your assertion that the biggest issue is gang violence done with guns is, as far as I can tell, just incorrect. I'm open to being corrected though if you have better data.


It is easier to kill a person with a car than with a gun. What's your qualification to deny that, have you killed anyone? There are more deaths caused by both motor vehicles and by alcohol than guns, why dont you want to ban them? You are clearly motivated by something other than reducing violence.
I said gang violence, career criminals, poverty, and drug related. When you actually prove my claim wrong I'll worry about finding better data.
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Jun 29 2017 08:33pm
Quote (RiskOfFire @ 30 Jun 2017 03:30)
It is easier to kill a person with a car than with a gun. What's your qualification to deny that, have you killed anyone? There are more deaths caused by both motor vehicles and by alcohol than guns, why dont you want to ban them? You are clearly motivated by something other than reducing violence.
I said gang violence, career criminals, poverty, and drug related. When you actually prove my claim wrong I'll worry about finding better data.


The car is a valid point on other issues, many ppl die because of being mobile. It's sad to see that we have not been promoting safer ways of transport. That's a different subject, needs to be improved as well.. It's not a gun related subject.
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Jun 29 2017 08:34pm
Quote (RiskOfFire @ Jun 29 2017 08:30pm)
It is easier to kill a person with a car than with a gun. What's your qualification to deny that, have you killed anyone? There are more deaths caused by both motor vehicles and by alcohol than guns, why dont you want to ban them? You are clearly motivated by something other than reducing violence.
I said gang violence, career criminals, poverty, and drug related. When you actually prove my claim wrong I'll worry about finding better data.


Where did I ever say I wanted to ban anything?

You're just being stupid. A car is a necessary evil since it's so useful. The potential for misuse is great, but the ratio of use to misuse far surpasses a gun. It's not even a question. Same for alcohol.

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Jun 29 2017 08:38pm
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The car is a valid point on other issues, many ppl die because of being mobile. It's sad to see that we have not been promoting safer ways of transport. That's a different subject, needs to be improved as well.. It's not a gun related subject.


So like I said, your concern is "gun violence" and not violence. Why isnt this a joint effort to ban guns, ban cars that can travel faster than 55 mph, ban alcohol... it's because the gun control has never nor will ever be about violence, its about control.
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