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Jun 29 2017 07:29pm
Quote (Knaapie @ Jun 29 2017 09:18pm)
You want to argue with me how lethal a baseball bat is compared to a gun? And then call me uneducated ? Lol.. I understand the sentiment to protect a part of your culture you hold dear. I've celebrated SinterKlaas from a very young age.
But at some point.. I hope ppl will see that what they believe to be a freedom, is actually reducing the freedom many other citizens wish to enjoy.


If someone attacks you with either a baseball bat or a gun with the the intent to kill I promise you, you are going to be equally dead either way.
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 29 2017 09:23pm)
They're not the common denominator in violence, but they are the single greatest catalyst towards making violent crime a life or death issue.

I agree, let's give better economic opportunities to reduce violent crime.

But the data has shown time and time again, what escalates a violent act to a homicide is access to a gun, and it's a greater influence than having a bat available.


No, homicide is a result of the desire to kill, an inanimate piece of metal does not alter a human being's state of mind into murder. I imagine your lack of logic is based on emotion in some way, that's probably why you dont have any grasp on logic. I would recomend that you reflect on why you have an irrational fear of guns before you continue to rant and rave. Maybe you shouldn't blindly believe whatever your political ideologues tell you to.

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Jun 29 2017 07:35pm
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If someone attacks you with either a baseball bat or a gun with the the intent to kill I promise you, you are going to be equally dead either way.


yes, but the guy with the baseball bat has to get close to you, while the guy with a gun doesnt. additionally, guy A beating guy B to death with a baseball bat includes zero risk of collateral damage for third parties.
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Quote (RiskOfFire @ 30 Jun 2017 02:29)
If someone attacks you with either a baseball bat or a gun with the the intent to kill I promise you, you are going to be equally dead either way.


Ow yes the planed executions will remain, even without guns.. But that's black and white thinking. There are more escalation due to owning guns and unintended murders with guns than planned executions.
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Jun 29 2017 07:40pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 29 2017 09:35pm)
yes, but the guy with the baseball bat has to get close to you, while the guy with a gun doesnt. additionally, guy A beating guy B to death with a baseball bat includes zero risk of collateral damage for third parties.


Oh of course, I forgot, it's illegal to walk up to someone so a baseball bat couldnt be used as a weapon ever. And it's also perfectly safe to swing a baseball bat around wildly in a crowded place, you wouldnt hit anything by accident...

The point is that the world is very dynamic, the solution to ban or restrict guns is not, and is worthless.

Quote (Knaapie @ Jun 29 2017 09:36pm)
Ow yes the planed executions will remain, even without guns.. But that's black and white thinking. There are more escalation due to owning guns and unintended murders with guns than planned executions.


I disagree, I own guns and don't murder. Good luck in accomplishing legislation with such a weak argument. Also there is no such thing as an unintended murder.

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I disagree, I own guns and don't murder. Good luck in acomplishing legislation with such a weak argument.


I hope you can avoid an accident or anxious cop in the your lifetime.
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Jun 29 2017 07:46pm
The criminal apologists are hilarious. Just dont pull the trigger.
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Quote (Knaapie @ Jun 29 2017 09:45pm)
I hope you can avoid an accident or anxious cop in the your lifetime.


Statistically speaking I am virtually guaranteed to avoid both of those in multiple lifetimes.
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Jun 29 2017 07:48pm
Quote (RiskOfFire @ 30 Jun 2017 02:46)
Statistically speaking I am virtually guaranteed to avoid both of those in multiple lifetimes.


And I, in about 50x those multiple lifetimes ^^

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Jun 29 2017 07:51pm
Quote (RiskOfFire @ Jun 29 2017 07:29pm)
No, homicide is a result of the desire to kill, an inanimate piece of metal does not alter a human being's state of mind into murder. I imagine your lack of logic is based on emotion in some way, that's probably why you dont have any grasp on logic. I would recomend that you reflect on why you have an irrational fear of guns before you continue to rant and rave. Maybe you shouldn't blindly believe whatever your political ideologues tell you to.


You have a very naive view here.

If you cannot easily acquire the means to kill, you are less likely to kill. If you have to put extensive effort to carrying out the act (like with a baseball bat) you are less likely to kill. If you have the means to kill easily and in an impersonal way, you are more likely to kill.
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Jun 29 2017 07:56pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 29 Jun 2017 21:51)
You have a very naive view here.


this coming from the adult-aged pajama boy who claims to be educated but cant get an interview
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