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Nov 20 2024 06:58pm
Quote (zorzin @ 21 Nov 2024 02:46)
Also wrong.

From Iron Dome to F-15s: US provides 70% of Israel’s war costs
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/hktyrfiekl

The entirety of your military continues to exist at the pleasure of uncle sam (which you technically own). The only reason why youre still in this fight is because of America, which also has boots on the ground in israel now


Investing in an idea doesn’t make it your own. The Iron Dome is a fully Israeli innovation, as was the Lavi aircraft. The U.S. urged Israel to halt development on the Lavi to avoid competing with their F-16, even though they contributed funding to the project. You can see the outcome of the Lavi in the development of aircraft like the European Eurofighter Typhoon, which shares some design elements with the Lavi

Israel is a country with incredible capabilities, and nothing will change that.

I don’t fully understand the reasoning behind claiming that Israel is merely a proxy of the U.S. or that it wouldn’t survive without American support. Does it make you feel superior to think that way? If so, I guess you can enjoy that perspective.


Over the last 70 years, several countries have had a major impact on global politics, economics, and culture. Here’s a breakdown of some of the most influential:

1. United States

The U.S. has arguably been the most influential global power in the post-WWII era. Its economic might, military power, and cultural influence (through media, technology, and business) have shaped the modern world order. The U.S. played a crucial role in the creation of international institutions like the United Nations and NATO and has been a key actor in global conflicts (e.g., the Cold War, Iraq War) and in shaping global capitalism and technology. The American-led Western alliance system has helped maintain its dominance.

2. China

Over the past few decades, China has emerged as a major global power, both economically and geopolitically. China’s rapid economic growth has made it the second-largest economy in the world. Its role in global trade, manufacturing, and technology (such as in 5G networks and AI) has been transformative. China’s Belt and Road Initiative has also made it a key player in infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, and Europe.

3. Soviet Union (now Russia)

During the Cold War, the Soviet Union was the primary rival to the U.S. and exerted immense influence over Eastern Europe and parts of Asia. It played a significant role in shaping international politics, especially with the spread of communism and nuclear deterrence policies. Even after its dissolution in 1991, Russia has maintained significant military and political influence, especially in its efforts to assert power in Europe, the Middle East, and Central Asia.

4. European Union (EU)

While not a single country, the European Union has had a massive influence, particularly in terms of economics, trade, and diplomacy. The EU’s unified market has become one of the largest in the world, and its regulatory frameworks (e.g., on data protection, trade, and the environment) have had a global impact. The EU has also played a central role in diplomatic efforts, including conflict resolution and global climate initiatives.

5. India

India’s rise as an economic and political power in recent years has had a significant impact on global affairs. With a population of over 1.4 billion, India is a major player in global markets, particularly in technology, pharmaceuticals, and services. Its strategic position in South Asia, growing military strength, and role in international organizations like the United Nations and the World Trade Organization have given it considerable influence in global politics.

6. Japan

Japan, particularly post-WWII, has had a profound impact on global technology, economy, and culture. As one of the world’s largest economies and a technological powerhouse, Japan has shaped industries like automotive, electronics, and robotics. Its global influence is also reflected in its cultural exports, including anime, manga, and video games, which have become a significant part of world culture.

7. Germany

Germany, particularly after reunification in 1990, has been a key driver in Europe’s political and economic landscape. As the largest economy in Europe, it plays a central role in the EU’s policies, global trade, and economic stability. Germany has also been influential in shaping international environmental and climate policies, alongside its strong manufacturing and engineering industries.

8. Israel

While smaller in size, Israel has had an outsized influence, particularly in technology, defense, and innovation. Israel is known for its advancements in cybersecurity, medicine, and military technology, and it has played a central role in the Middle East geopolitics, often in alliance with the U.S. Its defense technologies, like the Iron Dome, are world-renowned, and its tech sector (often referred to as “Startup Nation”) is a key driver of global innovation.


9. Brazil

As the largest country in Latin America, Brazil has been an important regional power with a significant influence in global trade, particularly in agriculture, mining, and energy. It plays a leading role in regional politics and is a key member of international organizations like BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa).

10. South Africa

South Africa has been a key player in African politics, particularly after the end of apartheid. Its economy is one of the largest on the continent, and it plays a leading role in both regional diplomacy and global organizations, including the African Union and BRICS. South Africa’s political transformation also made it a symbol of global reconciliation.

These countries (and regions like the EU) have shaped international politics, economics, and culture through their economic power, military influence, and innovation across a range of industries. Each has faced its own challenges, but their impact on the world has been significant and enduring.


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Quote (ownyaah @ 21 Nov 2024 02:47)
I dont think that is entirely fair though, if US wasn´t involved israel would have far less military conflicts.

You don´t really need guns if you don´t have many enemies.

"axis" would definitely be far less interested, prob 90% less interested, and a negotiated peace of sorts would done


No offense, but it sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Israel fought long before its alliance with the United States.
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Nov 20 2024 07:29pm
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No offense, but it sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Israel fought long before its alliance with the United States.


Don´t think that is a fair comparison:

During a time of Pan-arabism, baathism and communist arabs. Didn´t even include iranians :x

Or are you talking about even before then, like pre 1930s-1940s? Or even before? Wasn´t 1948s supported by soviet union?

Eitherway, different game, different players. Only palestinians were continuous involved.

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Nov 20 2024 07:51pm
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 20 2024 07:58pm)

I don’t fully understand the reasoning behind claiming that Israel is merely a proxy of the U.S. or that it wouldn’t survive without American support. Does it make you feel superior to think that way? If so, I guess you can enjoy that perspective. .


You are seriously out to lunch if you think Israel would survive without the backing of America. It doesn’t make me feel superior at all, its just an observable reality.

There's a reason why the ultimate goal of israel is to bring uncle sam into a war against Iran. (But yall gona have to wait untill the orange man takes office) America also funded the iron dome
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Nov 20 2024 11:36pm
Quote (zorzin @ 21 Nov 2024 03:51)
You are seriously out to lunch if you think Israel would survive without the backing of America. It doesn’t make me feel superior at all, its just an observable reality.

There's a reason why the ultimate goal of israel is to bring uncle sam into a war against Iran. (But yall gona have to wait untill the orange man takes office) America also funded the iron dome


Israel already survived without the US its a proven fact,

Funded the Iron dome because they wanted piece of this brilliant marvel
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Nov 20 2024 11:38pm
Quote (ownyaah @ 21 Nov 2024 03:29)
Don´t think that is a fair comparison:

During a time of Pan-arabism, baathism and communist arabs. Didn´t even include iranians :x

Or are you talking about even before then, like pre 1930s-1940s? Or even before? Wasn´t 1948s supported by soviet union?

Eitherway, different game, different players. Only palestinians were continuous involved.


Different games different alliances therefore you have no clue what would have happened and trying to make baseless assumptions are irrelevant
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Nov 20 2024 11:49pm
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 21 2024 07:38am)
Different games different alliances therefore you have no clue what would have happened and trying to make baseless assumptions are irrelevant


Making assumptions about 1990-2012 is vastly different from 1935

I´ve not really made an assumptions going so far back, even the main part of fatah/hamas conflict is very recent (2006)

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Making assumptions about 1990-2012 is vastly different from 1935


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Not really, even a few years can be infinitely hard to decipher, but retrospectively/hind sight is ez.

The real difficulty is seeing when point of no return is reached (in present time), history is filled with examples of this

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Quote (ownyaah @ 21 Nov 2024 07:54)
Not really, even a few years can be infinitely hard to decipher, but retrospectively/hind sight is ez.

The real difficulty is seeing when point of no return is reached (in present time), history is filled with examples of this


The point of no return is October 7th 2023
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