How is this different from Israel's previous (failed) policy?

It's a very short term bandaid 'solution' - known as a Carthaginian peace.

What happens in reality is that 20 years later, most of the population largely forget about it and so they start going soft again which is a principle of natural law. Meanwhile, the Palestinians trend the opposite direction and become more and more radicalized to action. The left wing dogs start barking and barking for the Palestinians to be given more and more rights and self governance. That begets Hamas 2.0 and the cycle repeats itself indefinitely until Israel changes course. Maybe even a Judeo-Bolshevist is elected into power who believes that Israel needs to drop it's racist policy & integrate them into the state of Israel. What then?

It's just kicking the can down the road for your children to deal with. And for them or their children to be the victims of another mass slaughter.

This post was edited by El1te on Nov 20 2024 05:39pm

You're right, there is no f'ing way Iran will take them.

I absolutely agree they doomed themselves, willingly of their own volition. It's happened many times in history. Destruction is the inevitable outcome unless they change their minds somehow

The idea that this is just “kicking the can down the road” oversimplifies things. Israel’s policies adapt based on the reality of the region, and while no solution is perfect, it’s not as simple as saying the same cycle will repeat forever. History doesn’t work like that—things change, and so do the challenges and responses.

The fear of some ultra-left leader dismantling Israel’s core policies is pretty far-fetched. Even left-leaning governments in Israel agree on keeping a Jewish majority and protecting national security. No one’s seriously pushing for fully integrating Palestinians as citizens—it’s just not realistic politically or demographically.

Sure, it’s not a perfect fix, but the alternative—doing nothing or going all-in on extreme measures—could lead to way bigger problems. It’s about managing the conflict as best as possible for now while keeping future options open.

1. There is no need to lie, US/israel/turkey/saudis arming of "FSA" is well documented, far beyond what is admitted. https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief-acknowledges-long-claimed-weapons-supply-to-syrian-rebels/
2. The influx of weapon deliveries to hez through syria increased IMMENSLY after 2012. Why? Because decline of sovereignity and weakening of syria, delegating syria to iranian/hez was a mistake. This is the same mistake europe/US is making with russia, pushing them into a cino-russian alliance.
3. You can speculate on that, and it could be correct, my speculation is instead of pulling syria away from iran they pushed them together, opportunism can have unexpected political blowback.
4. The enrichment process is already there 60%, and Iran has hypersonic missiles that are capable of carrying nuclear war heads with pinpoint accuracy at 1400km. We are talking about a calculated strategic decision, rather than a lack of capability that can be finished whenever they want.

But good news is, iran having nukes has nothing to do with Israel. It is only serves as deterrence against US.

anyhow i said it again, cats out of the bag, these views might become relevant in next decades. Power politics need to play out first.

I think you underestimate the threat of extreme radical leftism. We all just saw what happened in America over the last 20 years - something like half the population of the West was radicalized, in less than 20 years, to ultra-extreme radical left wing ideology that saw them openly advocate for open borders, 'no human is illegal', abolishment of the police, let murderers walk free if they're brown, etc. etc. Nearly all of our institutions were infiltrated & taken over by Judeo-Bolshevists. You're naive if you think that can't happen in Israel, and if Hamas & friends are still alive and well at your borders, what happens then?

Impossible with haredim outgrowing all other jews. As parasitic as haredim are on the jewish state, they are the best thing that happened to israel.

Without them, israel would be doomed.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Nov 20 2024 05:50pm

Perhaps. But the Judeo-Bolshevists are insidious and will directly target the Haredim children & young adults to corrupt them and get them to self-apostasize - just like they did with young white Christian people here. This forum is filled with people who profess to have grown up in a Christian family who are now virulent atheist leftists. It's not as simple as outbreeding them, because parents don't have total control over what information their children consume.

This post was edited by El1te on Nov 20 2024 05:52pm

The link you provided confirms limited arms and support to select Syrian rebel groups for defensive purposes near Israel’s borders. It’s a far cry from a comprehensive or broad-scale strategy to arm all opposition forces like Al-Nusra. Israel’s primary aim was containing threats and securing the Golan border—not creating a proxy war in Syria. Unlike Turkey, Saudi Arabia, or the U.S., Israel’s involvement was measured and narrowly focused.

You’re correct that Syria’s collapse facilitated Iranian influence, but your argument oversimplifies Israel’s options. Israel has consistently acted to disrupt arms transfers, conducting hundreds of strikes to prevent advanced weapons from reaching Hezbollah. The weakening of Assad’s sovereignty wasn’t caused by Israel but by Syria’s civil war and Assad’s reliance on Iran and Russia for survival. Blaming Israel for Hezbollah’s gain ignores the broader context of regional instability.

The idea of pulling Syria away from Iran overlooks the reality of Assad’s regime. Syria’s relationship with Iran has been deeply rooted since the 1980s, long before the war. Assad was unlikely to sever ties with his strongest ally in exchange for uncertain deals with Israel or the West. While it’s true that pushing countries into alliances can backfire, the Syria-Iran-Hezbollah axis predated the war. Assad aligned with Iran not because of missed opportunities with Israel but because of shared strategic goals.


Yes, Iran has enriched uranium to 60%, but reaching weapons-grade (90%) and building functional nuclear warheads involves significant technical hurdles, including weaponization and miniaturization. Even if Iran can develop such capabilities, their use is deterred by Israel’s own military superiority and second-strike capabilities. The hypersonic missiles you mention are unverified and, even if real, still face operational challenges.

Iran’s nuclear ambitions go beyond deterring the U.S.; its rhetoric and support for anti-Israel proxies make it a direct concern for Israel. Pretending Iran’s nukes would have “nothing to do with Israel” ignores its history of using proxy groups like Hezbollah to advance its anti-Israel agenda.

Blaming Israel for regional dynamics oversimplifies a highly complex geopolitical landscape. The rise of Iranian influence in Syria or the development of nuclear weapons involves multiple actors, and Israel’s policies aim to mitigate—not exacerbate—these threats.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Nov 20 2024 05:53pm

Not sure if you can draw parallels, jews I know are different from your average european. I doubt their environment would allow that sort of transition either

Israel is not Canada and I am not naive, I know where I live