Quote (ownyaah @ Nov 20 2024 12:29pm)

Want the truth? Actual 🎯?

1. You cant live with islamists
2. It is a moral and security duty to fight islamists
3. This same poison Israel faces today, they supported in Syria. Choosing conflict over settlement for Golan heights which was entirely feasible 90s to early 20s, and taking neutrality in 2012.
4. This same poison Israel faces today, they supported in Iraq
5. Israel openly supported Hamas for many years to divide Palestinians and to weaken Fatah

Wih all that said, nobody in their right mind should support Israel, neither should they support Palestine. The greatest gift to mankind is that this conflict stretches as long as possible. Both sides are inherently against diplomacy and allergic to security architecture that is sustainable. If Israel contained their policy of expansion and security to Palestine, their actions would be palatable, instead they antagonize and take part in every conflict at every opportunity. The sunni-israel peace showed you the path, yet you will continue to fail to see that path for shias, because you are hellbent on being a proxy. Doing the biddings of others, when your interest is the west bank.. Silly.

Before you call me a shia apologist, your fight against shias is highly beneficial for me economically.

Quote (ownyaah @ 20 Nov 2024 19:29)

Want the truth? Actual 🎯?

1. You cant live with islamists
2. It is a moral and security duty to fight islamists
3. This same poison Israel faces today, they supported in Syria. Choosing conflict over settlement for Golan heights which was entirely feasible 90s to early 20s, and taking neutrality in 2012.
4. This same poison Israel faces today, they supported in Iraq
5. Israel openly supported Hamas for many years to divide Palestinians and to weaken Fatah

Wih all that said, nobody in their right mind should support Israel, neither should they support Palestine. The greatest gift to mankind is that this conflict stretches as long as possible. Both sides are inherently against diplomacy and allergic to security architecture that is sustainable. If Israel contained their policy of expansion and security to Palestine, their actions would be palatable, instead they antagonize and take part in every conflict at every opportunity. The sunni-israel peace showed you the path, yet you will continue to fail to see that path for shias, because you are hellbent on being a proxy. Doing the biddings of others, when your interest is the west bank.. Silly.

Before you call me a shia apologist, your fight against shias is highly beneficial for me economically.

Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 20 2024 01:59pm)

Israel has never directly supported Hamas, but some argue that its early policies inadvertently allowed the group to grow. Hamas was founded in 1987 as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood and was initially viewed by some Israeli officials as a counterbalance to the secular PLO, Israel’s primary adversary at the time. Critics suggest that targeting the PLO while overlooking Hamas’s activities in its early stages may have strengthened Hamas unintentionally. Since Hamas took control of Gaza in 2007, Israel has fought against it through military operations, blockades, and other measures. Today, Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by Israel and much of the international community.

Israel has effectively defeated Hamas militarily in Gaza and will now work to replace its control with a more moderate leadership.

Israel will continue to weaken Hezbollah in Lebanon until their influence is diminished.

We are not looking for your support

Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 20 2024 11:59pm)

Israel has never directly supported Hamas, but some argue that its early policies inadvertently allowed the group to grow. Hamas was founded in 1987 as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood and was initially viewed by some Israeli officials as a counterbalance to the secular PLO, Israel’s primary adversary at the time. Critics suggest that targeting the PLO while overlooking Hamas’s activities in its early stages may have strengthened Hamas unintentionally. Since Hamas took control of Gaza in 2007, Israel has fought against it through military operations, blockades, and other measures. Today, Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by Israel and much of the international community.

Israel has effectively defeated Hamas militarily in Gaza and will now work to replace its control with a more moderate leadership.

Israel will continue to weaken Hezbollah in Lebanon until their influence is diminished.

We are not looking for your support

Quote (ownyaah @ 21 Nov 2024 00:19)

It is an open secret, and has always been. I don't know why you are trying to refute it: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

I have no support to give, obviously thats not the point, it is merely pointing out facts.

Then keep fighting assad, lebanon, iran, houtis, and all else that comes your way. Didn´t learn from sinai? Diplomacy outweighs mindless militarism, especially when there is no inherent geographical divergence of interests. Your interest is west-bank, not lebanon, not golan, and certainly not yemen or tehran - the end justifies the means, but the means are located on mars and you are fighting on jupiter.

Also stop writing like a spokes person, it is patronizing .

Quote (El1te @ 21 Nov 2024 00:15)

Didn't you guys feed them, house them, provide them with clean water, etc. etc., for free, allowing them to reproduce like rabbits & quadruple their population over a short period of time? Basically the opposite of genocide, handing free food & shelter to a group of people who want to kill you, allowing them to expand 10 fold?

At some point Israel will have to reckon with the absolute idiocy of what they've done and why. This isn't a problem that can be fixed by replacing the Hamas government with more Arab "more moderate leadership". There is none, since Israel has gone into and essentially slaughtered the population (not directly targeting civilians but everything is destroyed). There is no reforming the Gaza leadership, the actions of Israel have directly led to the present where there are only two options: 1) capitulate to Hamas & friends, because they will never stop plotting to kill you or 2) Genocide them in whole. The actions of Israel deliberately taken over multiple decades have made it such that a wholesale genocide is the only option for Israel to ever live in peace. This consequential fact is a direct result of babying them

Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 21 2024 12:32am)

We learned from Sinai that there will be no diplomacy until they surrender.

When they surrender—and they will—we can talk about the territories we captured.

Until then, you’ll have to keep rambling and complaining, as if we’re doing this for fun.

When it comes to our interests, maintaining peace and quiet has always been our top priority.

The majority of us have little interest in Judea and Samaria, aside from a small ideological minority, and no one will go to war over it.

But don’t stop yourself from rambling endlessly with your so-called “facts.”

Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 20 2024 02:35pm)

We are not going to exterminate them, and thats not even a discussion.
Hopefully we are going to punish them by taking a huge piece of land, forcing their hands to declare defeat and accept our terms.

Quote (El1te @ Nov 21 2024 12:41am)

My point is - do you truly believe that forcing a Carthaginian peace on them is a solution?

Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 21 2024 12:35am)

We are not going to exterminate them, and thats not even a discussion.
Hopefully we are going to punish them by taking a huge piece of land, forcing their hands to declare defeat and accept our terms.

Quote (ownyaah @ 21 Nov 2024 00:39)

You are incapable of discussion, and you delegate opinions that haven´t been said.

I'll make it simple for you:

Your enemy is 1# fatah, 2# hamas, even your signature realises as much. Geographically, ethically and religiously there is no conflict of interest between israel and "axis of resistance", there is no reason for these 2 be at war, ever. No war can be "won" against these entities either, it is a pointless exercise. It neither gives you peace, quiet, security or economical benefits. Anyway, when you pray today keep your messiah Cyrus in mind, silly