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Sep 28 2022 10:03pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Sep 28 2022 10:22pm)
I had heard security around the pipe was quite advanced.


Its shallow waters, heavily trafficked and subject to maritime aerial surveillance. Presumably, the way to get around all that would be to drop delayed fuse bombs many days in advance, so it could be carried out by a commercial fishing vessel or whatever else that wouldn't be easily linked to it by the uncertain time displacement. Its unlikely whether it was the US or Russia that the culprits were at the scene when it happened.
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Sep 28 2022 11:59pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 29 2022 02:44am)
Hate to break it to you, but if Putin is couped he's going to be replaced by someone much less patient than Putin is and every bit as hostile to NATO.

This is the same sort of fantasy that people have about China. They think if the Chinese people establish a liberal democracy, then they will vote for a Chinese Reagan or something. Anyone who has talked to regular Chinese people know who they'd actually elect, lol.


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Sep 29 2022 02:19am
Few more thoughts:
1) The pipelines are ownd 51% by Russia. Their reaction is very calm and they talk about UN council. They literally threaten the west daily with nukes and when their billion dollar infrastructure gets attacked they say nothing? Come on. That would be the first real attack lol
2) There is still an undamaged pipeline which could deliver gas. Why would anyone else keep it intact besides russia?
3) Close before the winter chaos on the gas markets and all pipelines in danger definitely favours russia. The message is -> Your gas supplies for this winter aren't as save as you think.
4) increasing pressure on sanctions
5) dividing the west by blaming the US

Again, like all posts here, it's just a hypothesis. Who claims the know what happened lies.

This post was edited by BaHgerAUT on Sep 29 2022 02:25am
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Quote (BaHgerAUT @ Sep 29 2022 03:19am)
Few more thoughts:
1) The pipelines are ownd 51% by Russia. Their reaction is very calm and they talk about UN council. They literally threaten the west daily with nukes and when their billion dollar infrastructure gets attacked they say nothing? Come on. That would be the first real attack lol
2) There is still an undamaged pipeline which could deliver gas. Why would anyone else keep it intact besides russia?
3) Close before the winter chaos on the gas markets and all pipelines in danger definitely favours russia. The message is -> Your gas supplies for this winter aren't as save as you think.
4) increasing pressure on sanctions
5) dividing the west by blaming the US

Again, like all posts here, it's just a hypothesis. Who claims the know what happened lies.


Look at it from the lens of each state potentially having no idea who did it or whether it was even sabotage or just an accident. Russia might not know whether the EU did it, or America, or Ukraine, or even China. They might not know whether it was their own mistake. If they are uncertain, is their first reaction going to be fire and fury? Same for the EU and US
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Sep 29 2022 03:17am
Quote (BaHgerAUT @ Sep 29 2022 10:19am)
Few more thoughts:
1) The pipelines are ownd 51% by Russia. Their reaction is very calm and they talk about UN council. They literally threaten the west daily with nukes and when their billion dollar infrastructure gets attacked they say nothing? Come on. That would be the first real attack lol
2) There is still an undamaged pipeline which could deliver gas. Why would anyone else keep it intact besides russia?
3) Close before the winter chaos on the gas markets and all pipelines in danger definitely favours russia. The message is -> Your gas supplies for this winter aren't as save as you think.
4) increasing pressure on sanctions
5) dividing the west by blaming the US

Again, like all posts here, it's just a hypothesis. Who claims the know what happened lies.


Gonna write down here all the hypothetical hypothesis that I have in my fantasy hypocrite mind except the most likely and probable one.

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Sep 29 2022 03:37am
Quote (BaHgerAUT @ 29 Sep 2022 10:19)
Few more thoughts:
1) The pipelines are ownd 51% by Russia. Their reaction is very calm and they talk about UN council. They literally threaten the west daily with nukes and when their billion dollar infrastructure gets attacked they say nothing? Come on. That would be the first real attack lol
2) There is still an undamaged pipeline which could deliver gas. Why would anyone else keep it intact besides russia?
3) Close before the winter chaos on the gas markets and all pipelines in danger definitely favours russia. The message is -> Your gas supplies for this winter aren't as save as you think.

4) increasing pressure on sanctions
5) dividing the west by blaming the US

Again, like all posts here, it's just a hypothesis. Who claims the know what happened lies.


Regarding 2): I think that was an accident. Imho, all 4 pipes were supposed to be blown up, but whoever did it failed to catch the fourth one. Operating with surgical precision at this depth, potentially with a remote-controlled mini submarine, is tough.
Regarding 3): that's increasingly the explanation I'm considering the most likely. By attacking their own infrastructure in international waters, Russia can send the message without taking any risk of triggering a war with NATO. And the Nord Stream pipelines were a dead investment anyway at this point.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 29 2022 03:38am
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Sep 29 2022 03:39am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 29 2022 12:37pm)
Regarding 2): I think that was an accident. Imho, all 4 pipes were supposed to be blown up, but whoever did it failed to catch the fourth one. Operating with surgical precision at this depth, potentially with a remote-controlled mini submarine, is tough.
Regarding 3): that's increasingly the explanation I'm considering the most likely. By attacking their own infrastructure in international waters, Russia can send the message without taking any risk of triggering a war with NATO. And the Nord Stream pipelines were a dead investment anyway at this point.


Its obvious to everyone that Russia did it, except for a circle of clowns/Kremlin shills that gathered here trying to convince others a circle is actually a square.
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Sep 29 2022 03:44am
Quote (Palasan @ Sep 29 2022 11:39am)
Its obvious to everyone that Russia did it, except for a circle of clowns/Kremlin shills that gathered here trying to convince others a circle is actually a square.


Palasan posing topics that "NATO masters" did it https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=96504467&f=119

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Sep 29 2022 03:45am
Quote (Djunior @ Sep 29 2022 12:44pm)


Look up definition of sarcasm LOL, can't believe this guy can function in this world.
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Sep 29 2022 04:19am
Quote (Palasan @ 29 Sep 2022 11:39)
Its obvious to everyone that Russia did it, except for a circle of clowns/Kremlin shills that gathered here trying to convince others a circle is actually a square.


I don't think it's super obvious that Russia is responsible. It's the explanation that I deem the most likely, but other culprits imho cannot be ruled out at this point.
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