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Shit slinging aside, does anyone know if they just simply asked Trump, former President of the United States, for these docs back?
Or did they just raid his place like he's Joey Bagadoughnuts?
A lot of the assessment of this raid will depend on the actual justification they come up with. I, for my part, do not consider an ex-president to be above the law or some sort of involiable deity, so I don't consider the sheer fact that Trump's residence was searched by the FBI to be some sort of heresy. Hence, I will suspsend my judgement for now.
However, the FBI and the justice system have absolutely been weaponized by Democrats for years, so my default expectation definitely is that this will turn out to be a politicized spectacle which is based on a flimsy premise and intended to dig up further dirt on Trump. It looks bad, it most likely will be bad, but for now, we cannot rule out the possibility just yet that they had a legitimate reason for this raid.
Quote (Goomshill @ 9 Aug 2022 05:55)
Trump didn't seize control of a presidential palace and surround himself with loyal gunmen and declare himself emperor. He didn't dissolve parliament as absolute monarch. He didn't call on the military to occupy DC. What actions did Trump take to steal the election? A civil libertarian isn't going to argue that someone should be imprisoned for attempting to exhaust their legal remedies, their constitutionally ambiguous powers or other maneuvers, even if they are in vain or frivolous. But for an authoritarian, imprisoning people for dissent and opposition isn't a bug, its a feature.
Its not a hard point to get across. Trump tweeted and complained and bloviated. But he didn't steal an election, he took no action to compromise our republic.
Trump spent months preemptively undermining trust in the legitimacy of the election. He is on the record pressuring multiple state SoS to "find the needed votes for him to win their state *wink wink*". He lead a campaign to pressure GOP lawmakers and elected officials into refusing to certify the outcome of the election, based on the claim that it was supposedly stolen, while his side was unable to produce any actual evidence for these claims (and not for a lack of trying). And finally, he riled up his based and goaded them into marching on the Capitol as a show of force, where things then got completely out of hand.
Simply put, all of Trump's actions and rhetoric after the 2020 election suggest that he would have stolen the election and overturned Biden's victory to stay in power if he had been able to. Trump crossed a line in a multitude of ways during this period, he did far more and far worse than just being "a sore loser venting on twitter".
Both the weaponization of law enforcement by Democrats
and Trump's "Big Lie" are extremely corrosive to American democracy.
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The democrats, on the other hand, have been wantonly abusing their powers and setting every new precedent to destroy the fabric of our civil society. Trump mocked a journalist, Biden sent storm troopers in the middle of the night to raid one. Trump criticized his predecessor, Biden sent FBI agents to raid his home. Trump disagreed with liberal economists, Biden sent FBI agents to arrest conservative economists. Trump called Hillary a crook, the democrats and Biden are going to spend an entire decade weaponizing the FBI to try to find dirt on Trump. Its not a hard distinction to make
If the democrat's response to half the country embracing anti-establishment conservative populism is to try to lock up opposition politicians and protesters and pundits, we're not going to have a united states of america much longer.
This I can totally agree with.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 8 2022 11:41pm