If a tree falls in the woods and theres no one around, does it make a sound?

Categorization is just a way to label things lol. It's not reductionist or semantic. It's just how it is.

Now that you've acknowledged that labels are a social construct, and therefore gender is a social construct, I don't think we have much more to talk about. This all originated with me just saying "gender is a social construct though" and now you agree.

Depends how you define sound

If you define it as "vibrations in the air" then it does. If you define sound as "the experience of vibrations in the air that results in the sensation of hearing" then no, because it requires somebody to experience the sound for it to exist.



Similarly, if there are no brains to create categories, do the categories still exist? I think the obvious answer is no.

categories =/= categorization.

categorization is the application of labels to items in categories. whether they exist before we create them or not. "males" and "females" existed before we had the words for them, before we had words at all in fact. and we've also through observation applied subjective opinions to create subjective categorization. but we're not talking in subjective terms in the context of penis vs vagina or testosterone vs estrogen.

nature doesnt apply labels, this is a human behavior, maybe some other animals in the ape family or dolphins and whales are capable of this behavior as well. but nature does create categories, not by intelligent design necessarily, but by a system of happenstance.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 31 2022 01:01pm

Yes.

Nature creates things with penises, but it does not create "males". We call things with penises "males".

You are confusing us recognizing patterns with the patterns themselves.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Mar 31 2022 01:05pm

Gender is not political
What is political is the argument.

calling something a label does nothing to create it.

for example i can call mithril coin a 1$ per coin crypto but it never will be.

I mean, is a noble gas still a noble gas even if no one is around to call it a noble gas? We call it a noble gas because of how it interacts with the universe, but even if we didnt call it a noble gas, it would still interact with the universe in exactly the same way. It is not a noble gas because society deems it so, it is merely the face sound we make to express the classification which we have observed.

Do electrons still bond with certain atoms in certain ways based on their characteristics? They categorize themselves based on their physical characteristics. Just because somebody isnt there to observe or classify it doesnt mean it isnt in its own class all on its own.



Nature didnt call a penis a penis either. Youre conflating vocabulary with the classification itself. The sounds we make do not make the classification, just our expression and understanding of it to other beings. It doesnt have to be Male, it can be LJKSBSHDGF, or JKLSDBILJHSJKLSDBSD, or even JILASDBSDHGBSJKLDHGLKSJDGHSDFHLK:SGHKLGSDKL:FGHSDGHSUISDG. The fact that it is a MALE in what the word MALE is representing does not change.

This post was edited by ChronFather420 on Mar 31 2022 01:14pm

Give it time. Venture capital meetings have started with the team.

Back on subject, nature creates things we describe as males, but it doesn't set out to create males. It doesn't set out to create anything at all. It merely does. We can recognize that people can generally be sorted into two groups, but nature never sought out to be able to sort us into two groups, and our recognition that humasn can generally be sorted into groups doesn't change that.