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Mar 24 2022 09:55am
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Serious Question....why?

I cant wrap my head around that nonsense, enlighten me please.

I'll appreciate it.



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There are secular historians that have analyzed this ad nauseam and the common consensus is that a figure mentioned as Jesus in the Bible most likely existed.


I agree. Still isnt proven. So if not even the existence of that figure is 100% proven, how do you know what he said, thought or was? You know that it is also common scientific consensus that the bible wasnt written by anyone who lived alongside Jesus right? Its been written well after his death.
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No one asked you to stop by if you dont like it, so if you dont have anything to add to this thread I politely ask you to leave. Thank you.

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I dont care about a sentence like "God doesnt need you to believe in him".

A sentence like this doesnt help anyone except the narrative of people that already believe in him.

My question was WHY do people believe in god.
Your answer is basically, that it doesnt matter.
So truth is not important to believers I guess. Believing gives comfort to everyone who wouldnt get along without it holds on to it, I get that.
Thats why believers dont question anything and tell everyone things like "I found god for myself, cant explain it. If he hasnt revealed himself to you, there is no way."

Its always easy for believers. God is omnipotent, so you can twist and turn things in every direction and avoid any explanation. Thats pretty comfy.


i first became christian because scripture held up under scrutiny. open challenge for any one wants to contest it. so far they fail in a big way. and the fact that i have been delivered from my addictions and other healing pretty much seals the deal. ya i put it on the line. the word and science. I firmly believe people turn away from God because they want their sin. I can say this because how hard it was for me to come to terms with my sin of addiction and became willing to give it up and the truth i couldnt do it on my own. only one day standing up from prayer did i become alcohol free. so very much free. been over 6 years of free now. never going back
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No one asked you to stop by if you dont like it, so if you if you dont have anything to add to this thread I politely ask you to leave. Thank you.



The veins in your hands, the roots of a tree, the shape of natural lightning.

If you can't reasonably deduce these are a product of divine intellect you are an attention seeking nincompoop who will get no more of my wasted energy
in enlightening you that monkeys on typewriters didn't write shakespeare nor design life by accident.

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i first became christian because scripture held up under scrutiny. open challenge for any one wants to contest it. so far they fail in a big way. and the fact that i have been delivered from my addictions and other healing pretty much seals the deal. ya i put it on the line. the word and science. I firmly believe people turn away from God because they want their sin. I can say this because how hard it was for me to come to terms with my sin of addiction and became willing to give it up and the truth i couldnt do it on my own. only one day standing up from prayer did i become alcohol free. so very much free. been over 6 years of free now. never going back


You just needed something to hold on to and believe in to find the strength to overcome an addiction. Its pretty common. Its god for some people, its a new partner or a child for others. I know someone who overcame severe addiction through sports. Thats absolutely no evidence.
And about the scripture holding up. Could you give an example of some fascinating hold up? Would be interested.

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Quote (Modulok2405 @ Mar 24 2022 11:51am)
Because the lack of reason. If I believe something I usually have a reason for that. So what would be a reason to believe in god?



The reason is actually very simple. There are a lot of philosophical questions that aren’t answered.

Why are you alive? What’s the point of life? Where do you come from? What happens after death? What is the catalyst for the Big Bang (assuming that theory is real)? And on and on. Here I’m obviously not talking about the biological or physical factors but the philosophical questions.

Why do we have consciousness and have developed views on morality and right and wrong? Even when looking at cultures that had never contact with each other they have similar such complex concepts.

Biology and most science has no answers to these type of questions.

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Quote (sirthom @ Mar 24 2022 05:35am)
I used to think it is all bullshit and at least satan was the "cool" one.
Till I saw what was being done in his name.
Evil beyond comprehension and must be stopped at all costs.
As for god, he is a coward that does nothing to help.


dont you know scripture tells us the ruler of this world is satan. it is only allowed to go one for those that will come to Christ. when that has been finished it will be destroyed. the price has been payed for those you will turn to salvation and walk away from the world.
two choices. be apart of the world and all its horror or come out of it.
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The veins in your hands, the roots of a tree, the shape of natural lightning.

If you can't reasonably deduce these are a product of divine intellect you are an attention seeking nincompoop who will get no more of my wasted energy
in enlightening you that monkeys on typewriters didn't write shakespeare nor design life by accident.


I dont have to deduce anything. Its not me claiming something. If you see divine intelligence behind those things its on you to prove it.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 24 2022 11:08am)
The reason is actually very simple. There are a lot of philosophical questions that aren’t answered.

Why are you alive? What’s the point of life? Where do you come from? What happens after death? What is the catalyst for the Big Bang (assuming that theory is real)? And on and on. Here I’m obviously not talking about the biological or physical factors but the philosophical questions.

Why do we have consciousness and have developed views on morality and right and wrong? Even when looking at cultures that had never contact with each other they have similar such complex concepts.

Biology and most science has no answers to these type of questions.


Biology and science has very simple answers to where we come from and why we developed a moral system. So you aren't entirely correct.

However, even if we assume you are correct, that's just god of the gaps. If you are willing to accept fallacious reasoning then you can be convinced of most anything.
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