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Apr 9 2022 01:19pm
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loooooool. liar. you were simping hard for desantis' authoritarian overreach limiting free speech in florida.


A government forcing views on people is the opposite of free speech.
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Apr 9 2022 01:32pm
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A government forcing views on people is the opposite of free speech.


well, that wasn't happening - the whole "gay / trans agenda" myth is just a figment of rupert murdoch's imagination. no one was "forcing" any of those views on people, it's completely made up - and all you gullible idiots fell for it. so badly, in fact, that you support ACTUAL infringements of free speech, authoritarian government limiting expression, to combat a non-existent enemy. which is bad enough, but to then turn around and label yourself a "free speech absolutist" (which, by definition, would have opposed this law even IF there was some kind of real issue, as long as the issue wasn't mandated by the government) is the pinnacle of hypocrisy. in reality, your alleged love of free speech is strictly tied to if you agree with it or not. that's why you vociferously defend hate speech and bigotry on social media, but make excuses for actual government legislation limiting speech you don't agree with.
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well, that wasn't happening - the whole "gay / trans agenda" myth is just a figment of rupert murdoch's imagination. no one was "forcing" any of those views on people, it's completely made up - and all you gullible idiots fell for it. so badly, in fact, that you support ACTUAL infringements of free speech, authoritarian government limiting expression, to combat a non-existent enemy. which is bad enough, but to then turn around and label yourself a "free speech absolutist" (which, by definition, would have opposed this law even IF there was some kind of real issue, as long as the issue wasn't mandated by the government) is the pinnacle of hypocrisy. in reality, your alleged love of free speech is strictly tied to if you agree with it or not. that's why you vociferously defend hate speech and bigotry on social media, but make excuses for actual government legislation limiting speech you don't agree with.


When public school teachers are forcing political or social views on children that are neither age-appropriate nor part of any curriculum, it is simply a government forcing views upon a populace in a compulsory setting. Brainwashing, like a Chinese camp.
That's the opposite of free speech, and it would be clear to anyone who wasn't brainwashed by Merkel's nu-hitler youth camps why Americans in general oppose having their children brainwashed by the state
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When public school teachers are forcing political or social views on children that are neither age-appropriate nor part of any curriculum, it is simply a government forcing views upon a populace in a compulsory setting. Brainwashing, like a Chinese camp.
That's the opposite of free speech, and it would be clear to anyone who wasn't brainwashed by Merkel's nu-hitler youth camps why Americans in general oppose having their children brainwashed by the state


again, what you're describing there is simply not what happened. it's what fox news told you, but it's not true. it's 100% culture war propaganda, to scare uneducated bigots into disenfranchising / bullying minorities - standard GQP playbook. there was no government forcing ANY views related to florida's "don't say gay" bill on children, it's completely made up. and again, even IF all teachers did that (which they didn't), an actual "free speech absolutist" would oppose GOVERNMENT mandated limitation of speech to react to a cultural issue.
in reality, i only ever saw you "defend" free speech when it came to hate speech and bigotry. when authoritarians like desantis introduce actual legislation to limit speech, you're the biggest shill for it, can't stop lying to justify it. so stop acting like you even have a remotely principled position on the matter, it's obvious that the only criterion you apply to test if speech is worth protecting, is if you personally agree with it or not.
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Apr 9 2022 02:03pm
desantis, the super authoritarian who kept florida covid measure free so people could live FREELY, go to work to feed their families, children could attend school at all times

and somehow hundreds of thousands of americans want to go there

truly terrible
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Apr 9 2022 02:07pm
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again, what you're describing there is simply not what happened.


Can tell you from personal experience, being a human who was once a child going to school. Teachers will at times go outside the curriculum and voice their personal beliefs or opinions.
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Apr 9 2022 02:08pm
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again, what you're describing there is simply not what happened. it's what fox news told you, but it's not true. it's 100% culture war propaganda, to scare uneducated bigots into disenfranchising / bullying minorities - standard GQP playbook. there was no government forcing ANY views related to florida's "don't say gay" bill on children, it's completely made up. and again, even IF all teachers did that (which they didn't), an actual "free speech absolutist" would oppose GOVERNMENT mandated limitation of speech to react to a cultural issue.
in reality, i only ever saw you "defend" free speech when it came to hate speech and bigotry. when authoritarians like desantis introduce actual legislation to limit speech, you're the biggest shill for it, can't stop lying to justify it. so stop acting like you even have a remotely principled position on the matter, it's obvious that the only criterion you apply to test if speech is worth protecting, is if you personally agree with it or not.


are your posts written by a chat bot stuck on repeat? Swap around the worlds you CAPITALIZE, say the same thing over again, pretend its a new and continued argument?
Three times in a row you're stuck on repeat and unable to actually respond to what I said

maybe I should try answering heinreich von goebbels in the language he understands


again, what you're posting is simply not true. its what merkel taught you at a brainwashing camp. its 100% bullshit, to scare gullible leftist NPCs into believing a myth, a figment of the DNCommie's playbook. its completely' made up. Then you turn around and quote the label "free speech absolutist" (which, must be followed by a parenthetical aside), which of course is followed by an illogical accusation of HYPOCRISY which in reality is a defense of compulsory speech which is the opposite of free speech, which you agree with which is why you vociferously defend compelled speech but oppose hate speech which you define as WHATEVER your government doesn't agree with. when authoritarians like merkel and nu-merkel scholz introduce actual legislation to limit speech, you're the biggest shill for it, can't stop making excuses for actual government legislation limiting speech you don't agree with.
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desantis, the super authoritarian who kept florida covid measure free so people could live FREELY, go to work to feed their families, children could attend school at all times
and somehow hundreds of thousands of americans want to go there
truly terrible


Yes but if Desantis was a true libertarian who believed in Free Speech Absolutism, public school teachers in Florida would have the freedom to teach their children about the awesome story of jesus christ, the bible and god's great plan for no-homo christian boys and girls.
These terrible authoritarians like Madalyn Murray O'Hair have muzzled teachers with their "Don't Say God" law and now a tyrannical government is muzzling the free speech of teachers to stop the word of god.
Think of all those poor kids born to muslim and jewish families who will burn in eternal hellfire getting gang raped by demons or whatever it is evangelist christians believe, because their second hour math teacher couldn't deliver a sermon to force a dogmatic belief structure on them instead of talking about long division
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Apr 9 2022 02:16pm
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Yes but if Desantis was a true libertarian who believed in Free Speech Absolutism, public school teachers in Florida would have the freedom to teach their children about the awesome story of jesus christ, the bible and god's great plan for no-homo christian boys and girls.


Church and State has never worked in human history, it has always ended in decapitations.
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Apr 9 2022 02:26pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 9 Apr 2022 22:08)
are your posts written by a chat bot stuck on repeat? Swap around the worlds you CAPITALIZE, say the same thing over again, pretend its a new and continued argument?
Three times in a row you're stuck on repeat and unable to actually respond to what I said

maybe I should try answering heinreich von goebbels in the language he understands


again, what you're posting is simply not true. its what merkel taught you at a brainwashing camp. its 100% bullshit, to scare gullible leftist NPCs into believing a myth, a figment of the DNCommie's playbook. its completely' made up. Then you turn around and quote the label "free speech absolutist" (which, must be followed by a parenthetical aside), which of course is followed by an illogical accusation of HYPOCRISY which in reality is a defense of compulsory speech which is the opposite of free speech, which you agree with which is why you vociferously defend compelled speech but oppose hate speech which you define as WHATEVER your government doesn't agree with. when authoritarians like merkel and nu-merkel scholz introduce actual legislation to limit speech, you're the biggest shill for it, can't stop making excuses for actual government legislation limiting speech you don't agree with.


you can imitate the style, but that doesn't make the content true. you're defending authoritarian laws limiting speech by pointing to a made up cultural issue for which you have no proof or fact-based arguments whatsoever. that's why you have to deflect now: you can't refute any of the points i made.
you only ever pretend to be in favour of free speech when it's hate speech and bigotry that is challenged - when actual legislation to limit speech is introduced, you repeatedly lie and deceive to support it.

Quote (Mondain @ 9 Apr 2022 22:07)
Can tell you from personal experience, being a human who was once a child going to school. Teachers will at times go outside the curriculum and voice their personal beliefs or opinions.


teachers are humans, yes. teachers have always done that, yes. teachers in a free country should be allowed to do that within reason. my point is not that there weren't ANY teachers who ever mentioned ANY issues concerning gender or such - my point is that the myth of teachers systematically indoctrinating kids with harmful knowledge is made up culture war bullshit. desantis' attack on free speech is a "solution" in search of a problem, it's red meat for his bigoted base, and NOT something that makes any practical sense, quite the opposite - and it's terrible precedent.

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