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Jan 28 2022 02:31pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 28 2022 01:26am)
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CNN posted an article claiming the call between Biden and Zelensky did not go well, making Biden look bad
white house complained
CNN deleted their story, are now walking it back vigorously

funny how that never happened when they posted the fake stories about Trump from unnamed officials


The White House is trying to goad the Ukrainians to attack DPR/LPR to force Russia's hand militarily so that their sanctions that are intended to cut off Russia from Europe can be put into effect. That's what all this hysterical propaganda of an imminent Russian invasion is about. They truly expected Ukraine to go on the assault within a few days or weeks and so hyped up their propaganda for this purpose. Now all that propaganda is falling flat on its face. Truly an "emperor wears no clothing" moment.

Their plan is currently in the process of unraveling, for one unexpected reason: apparently Ukraine's Zelensky is not fond of the idea of attacking Donbass knowing they will sacrifice thousands of soldiers, provoke a Russian military reaction and not only lose the war but also have their nation essentially be a sacrificial offering just so that US sanctions can be justified, knowing full well they will not receive any military assistance.

Truly, I am surprised. Zelensky has proven to be more reasonable than I anticipated. Make no mistake, the United States will now seek to replace him with another president whom will be more committed to starting the war that they seek.

The Neocons in Washington DC are dumber than even I could have imagined possible. All of their hairbrained, poorly planned plots are falling apart, one after the other. They thought they could make Ukraine a "new Chechnya" for Russia, bog them down in a new war and justify crippling sanctions at the same time. This plot is failing so rapidly and so stupendously I can hardly believe it, and so is their narrative about an imminent Russian invasion. Thanks to Zelensky. Truly hilarious.

The Ukrainians are many things, but apparently they are not suicidal enough to just up and start a war with Russia on Biden's order. Self-preservation instincts are kicking in.


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Jan 28 2022 07:19pm
Quote (Sioux @ Jan 28 2022 04:59am)
You'd be a lot more convincing if you weren't hysterically repeating russian propaganda in response to no one. You've just achieved the rare quintiple post to lick daddy putins boot.


Yes 5 times more propaganda, only today, get yours free !
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Jan 30 2022 02:30pm
On the Kiev snipers false flag:

https://anti-empire.com/the-false-flag-kiev-sniper-massacre-the-hidden-origin-of-the-escalating-ukraine-conflict/

"Videos released by the BBC, Ukraine’s ICTV, and various other footage, including unbroadcasted segments of the most famous video of the Maidan massacre by Belgium’s public-service broadcaster VRT, showed snipers in the Maidan-controlled buildings shooting the protesters and the police and dozens of the protesters and journalists pointing out snipers there. The government investigation revealed that a sniper, who was filmed shooting at the BBC crew, and at protesters in the BBC and ICTV videos, did this from a Hotel Ukraina room in which one of the leaders of far-right Svoboda party then lived.

The absolute majority of wounded Maidan protesters testified at the Maidan massacre trial and investigation that they were shot by snipers from Maidan-controlled buildings or witnessed such snipers there. Even the official investigation determined, based on their testimonies and investigative experiments, that almost half of the wounded protesters were shot from sectors other than government positions and did not charge anyone with their shooting."



In other words, members of the Ukrainian far right, whom were also behind the coup, took up sniper positions in the Hotel Ukraina from where they massacred over 100 people, roughly around 50 protestors and 50 or so policemen.

Just another hidden aspect of the Ukrainian 2014 coup that the media will never tell you about.

Not a single one of them was ever held accountable, and to this day the Ukrainian mass media lies about how all the innocents murdered that day were murdered by the previous regime's police snipers, and the far-right Maidan forces had nothing to do with it.

This post was edited by chopstickz777 on Jan 30 2022 02:32pm
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Jan 30 2022 02:32pm
Quote (massmarines @ Jan 28 2022 08:19pm)
Yes 5 times more propaganda, only today, get yours free !


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Jan 30 2022 02:51pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jan 23 2022 02:07pm)
Seriously? Who is dumb enough to believe this tripe these days?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/anonymous-officials-claim-theres-evil-russian-plot-again-evidence-secret-again

"anonymous officials", "secret evidence",

gee, where have I heard that before?

Fact is, Russia ain't invading squat and this is just another case of the paranoid genocidal homicidal fascists in DC drumming up yet another unnecessary war while pretending that it is their victims which are the unholy, evil aggressors.

It didn't take a rocket scientist to see in 2014 that the US was behind the coup that led to the civil war in Ukraine and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that now, 8 years later, these same people are using the crisis they themselves created in the first place as a casus belli to move the world closer towards war with Russia.

Will these genocidal morons ever give up, or would they rather see the whole planet go up in nuclear flames just to satisfy their fantasies of world domination?


Amassing military on a boarder is cause for concern of invasion.

It's not wild to make that connection.
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Jan 31 2022 02:40pm
Quote (ZeaLORDeaL @ Jan 30 2022 01:51pm)
Amassing military on a boarder is cause for concern of invasion.

It's not wild to make that connection.


It's not wild for any misinformed armchair analyst to come to that conclusion, sure.

Unfortunately the mainstream media are apparently the masters of such uninformed armchair analysis. Of course this is not by mistake, but because of reasons having to do with propaganda.

Russia will no sooner invade Ukraine than Putin will just randomly decide one day to chop off his own arm. It makes no sense to anyone with any real understanding of geopolitics.

Whether Ukraine suffers a Russian military response or not is entirely up to them. If they are stupid enough to break the Minsk agreements and attack Donbass, they may suffer the wrath of the Russian military, but even then this is not guaranteed.

Thing is, people commenting today on Ukraine, and this includes the mainstream media, make no mention of the events of 2014-2015, don't talk about the Minsk agreements and most of the time, don't even know what that is or how it came to be.

Pretty absurd for such people to be commenting on a crisis, or even worse writing articles about it, when they simply have no clue.
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Feb 12 2022 11:41am
So Biden's regime has now dialed up the propaganda, insanity and hysteria up to 11, telling Americans to leave Ukraine immediately and pulling out military advisors and embassy staff from Ukraine, falsely claiming that Putin is "for sure" going to invade Ukraine next week.

Utter madness. Of course, no Russian invasion is imminent - but it may be that the Ukrainian army plans to attack Donbass next week, and the White House expects that Russia will retaliate - which will of course immediately be falsely portrayed by the lying mainstream media hacks as a "Russian invasion". Then Washington can finally justify sanctions intended to completely cut Russia off from Europe, which is desperately needed for the US to continue to prop up their dying empire.

Or, as some are now speculating, it could also be that a false flag operation is being prepared and will go live next week - some kind of provocation that will be falsely blamed on Russia designed to kick off hostilities between Russia and Ukraine.

Either way, the Neocon warmongers in DC are planning something and it really doesn't look good.

Hopefully their plans will fail and regardless of any potential operation, Ukraine/Russia won't take the bait and engage in open hostilities.

There must be no war between Russia and Ukraine.

US Americans will have to accept that the old days of unchallenged hegemony are over and that if we are foolish enough to continue on this path of provoking one confrontation after another in a desperate attempt to try and save it, it will end only in the nuclear annihilation of modern society.

We'll see what happens next week.

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Feb 12 2022 11:58am
If USA are our allies why would they push for war ?
Do you think US are afraid about an alliance in-between Russia and Europe ?
If war happen, can US sell some gas to Europe ?
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Feb 12 2022 11:59am
Tried my hardest to find an impartial/outside source on this. I think this aljazeera piece is pretty accurate representation of reality.

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Over the past year, as Russia amassed troops along its border with Ukraine, there have been growing fears of an imminent invasion. A number of Western leaders have repeatedly warned of this possibility.

Moscow has denied that it is making such plans, although it has not withdrawn its troops. Some observers have interpreted these Russian statements as untruthful and even accused the Russian authorities of preparing a false-flag operation.

A closer examination of Russia’s geopolitical behaviour in the past two decades, however, demonstrates that its officials might not necessarily be trying to deceive the international community. A full-scale war in Ukraine does not really fit into how the Kremlin has used hard power in its geopolitical games. The examples of Georgia, Syria, Libya, and (so far) Ukraine, show that it pursues a cost-efficient policy.

In each case, the Russian government has had a clear understanding of the risks on the ground. It has made a careful cost-benefit analysis and established clear and limited goals for the use of hard power. The cost-effective policy is a conscious choice because the Russian decision-makers know well that they do not have the means to maintain a large-scale war.

From Georgia to Syria and Libya
Russia, undoubtedly, made these cost calculations before the 2008 Georgia war, in which it intervened on the side of separatist forces in the breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia against the Georgian government.

Back then, the Russian forces did not really face a formidable adversary and were able to easily defeat the Georgian forces in South Ossetia in days. The Russian troops then crossed into Georgia proper, ransacked the city of Gori and halted. Once the limited goal of pushing back Georgian forces from South Ossetia and Abkhazia was achieved, Moscow was open to European mediation.

The Russian troops could have completely cut Georgia in two, gained control of the precious transit oil and gas pipelines from Azerbaijan to Turkey, and paralysed the economy and political system. All these gains would have been valuable bargaining chips to force the Georgian government to recognise the independence of the separatist regions. Yet, the regional and global costs of these advancements would have been too high for Russia, so it stopped at a limited military operation.

A similar calculation was made before the intervention in Syria to prop up Bashar al-Assad’s regime in 2015. Moscow did not deploy a massive land force – as, for example, the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq – and instead limited its hard power to fighter jets, special forces, mercenaries, military advisers, and navy ships. In order to lower the risk further, the Russian diplomats engaged with various stakeholders, such as the US, Israel, and Turkey at different stages of the war. This engagement ensured that rebel forces were not supplied with anti-aircraft weapons, which guaranteed the air supremacy of Russian and Syrian forces.

Russia’s extensive bombardment of areas under rebel control provided effective air cover for Syrian regime forces and enabled them to shift from defence to offence. In a matter of months, Damascus, backed by Russian and Iranian forces, was able to regain control of large swaths of territory and, in the following three years, forced rebels out of several strongholds and limited their presence to the northwest of the country. Russia achieved its goal – preserving al-Assad’s regime – with minimal costs, both in terms of casualties and funding, and even made diplomatic gains against Western powers on the international scene.

When it was invited to intervene in the Libyan conflict, Moscow made an even smaller commitment and still achieved a lot. The Russian involvement was limited to the deployment of Russian mercenaries and the supply of weapons to renegade General Khalifa Haftar, who controls the eastern part of the country. Although his offensive on the capital Tripoli eventually failed, Russia did not find itself on the losing side. In fact, it managed to position itself as a mediator between the Libyan government and Haftar and gained a prominent place on the negotiating table, along with other stakeholders, both Western and regional.

Moscow’s calculations in Ukraine
When Russia intervened in Ukraine in 2014, following the pro-democracy Maidan revolution against Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, it took a similar cost-effective approach. It did not launch a massive invasion of its much weaker neighbour. Instead, it deployed forces without insignia, while denying doing so, to the Crimean Peninsula, where the strategic military assets it wanted to secure were located – namely the headquarters and facilities of its Black Sea Fleet.

It then undertook a relatively bloodless takeover of this Ukrainian territory by setting up a referendum and presenting the annexation of Crimea as fulfilling the “will of the people”. It did not go any further in trying to conquer Ukrainian territory. A full-scale war was not the method and the occupation of Kyiv was not the goal.

Instead, to punish and subdue the new government in Kyiv, it set up separatist forces in the eastern part of the country, funded and armed them and sent some troops for support. It relied heavily on mercenaries and Russian soldiers not wearing insignia in order to deny its involvement and present the events on the ground as a spontaneous uprising. Thus, Moscow earned leverage over Ukraine at a minimum cost.

Today, eight years after the start of the conflict, Russia is amassing a large number of troops along the border. Has it changed its approach? That is unlikely. Despite Western predictions of an imminent invasion, it is questionable that the intended target of the Russian military mobilisation is Ukraine.

Moscow has not lost its leverage over Kyiv in the Donbas region, as it is nearly impossible for the Ukrainian army to end the separatist movement there while it enjoys Russian support. If the Kremlin wants to pressure the Ukrainian government, it could simply do so by escalating the conflict in the east, which does not necessitate a large deployment of Russian troops.

In fact, just the large military presence along the border is already doing enough damage to Ukraine: severely undermining its economy. Furthermore, the Russian authorities do not see a threat emanating from a “democratic Ukraine”, as the Maidan by now has lost its appeal within Russian pro-democracy circles.

Therefore, the amassing of troops along the Russia-Ukraine border is not targeting Kyiv, but the West. Moscow wants to force Western countries to finally sit down for negotiations on issues of European security. And this strategy seems to be working. Since 1991, this is the first time the West has engaged seriously with Russia to discuss European security.

Russian officials undoubtedly understand that Ukraine will not enter NATO, as there is no enthusiasm for it within the military organisation right now. What the Kremlin worries about is whether the US will deploy missiles or missile defence elements on Ukrainian soil.

Moscow wants arrangements to be made on several issues, including halting the deployment of intermediate-range ballistic missiles in Europe and limiting military exercises in close proximity to Russian borders. On December 17, it put out a proposal outlining its demands to both NATO and the United States.

So what happens next?

Until the Kremlin feels that it has received the necessary security guarantees, it will likely continue to keep military pressure on the Ukraine border. It might deploy intermediate-range ballistic missiles in Belarus or even escalate in other hotspots in its immediate neighbourhood, such as Georgia. It may organise war games closer to Western Europe, as it did with recent naval exercises near Ireland. It could even show off military capabilities closer to US borders, by deploying hypersonic missiles on its submarines or setting up long-range missiles in Venezuela, for example.

All these measures, however, will fall within Russia’s cost-effective calculations. That means that a large-scale invasion or war is highly unlikely.


https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/2/9/no-russia-will-not-invade-ukraine
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Feb 13 2022 07:52pm
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