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Jan 10 2022 03:49pm
biden sucks but trump sucks more: how do you do ? (seriously, what are your options ?)
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Biden was gifted his election by having the entire democratic establishment and media prop him up in a coordinated effort to suppress the progressives and throw their weight around one unpopular centrist, squeaking by the incumbent only by a hair only when the country was in the midst of a natural calamity and voting itself locked down around the nation. Trump waded through a field of fierce primary competition that started conspiring against him to the point of throwing their weight behind the opposing party, flipped the party's stance on entrenched social issues, survived the dirty tricks and most negative coordinated media blitz in the history of elections and still beat the invulnerable goliath the pollsters were giving a 99% chance to win. Biden has the entire media establishment covering up his faults down to even the micromanaging level of censoring social media when it shows him in a negative light, Trump had four years of witch hunting accusing him of dark sorcery. Biden had no policy platform at all and no ambitions to pass any legislation during his term and instead rode a message of simply managing the status quo, and yet managed to fuck up everything he laid his fingers on and bungled foreign and domestic policy again and again and again. Afghanistan completely imploded in embarrassing fashion in one of our worst military defeats while Biden was completely asleep at the wheel, complete silence out of the white house. Trump got elected on the messaging of a snake oil salesman, promising America he would shit tiffany cufflinks- and then went up to the white house and inexplicably managed to actually shit tiffany cufflinks: passing his tax cuts, built most of his wall, suppressed illegal immigration, flipped the economy from stagnating to booming via deregulation, got over half the middle east to peace and friendship with Israel, appointed a gorillion judges including two scotus, ended NAFTA and the paris deal and iran deal, and when the pandemic hit operation warp speed actually lived up to its name
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Jan 10 2022 04:06pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 10 2022 05:04pm)
Biden was gifted his election by having the entire democratic establishment and media prop him up in a coordinated effort to suppress the progressives and throw their weight around one unpopular centrist, squeaking by the incumbent only by a hair only when the country was in the midst of a natural calamity and voting itself locked down around the nation. Trump waded through a field of fierce primary competition that started conspiring against him to the point of throwing their weight behind the opposing party, flipped the party's stance on entrenched social issues, survived the dirty tricks and most negative coordinated media blitz in the history of elections and still beat the invulnerable goliath the pollsters were giving a 99% chance to win. Biden has the entire media establishment covering up his faults down to even the micromanaging level of censoring social media when it shows him in a negative light, Trump had four years of witch hunting accusing him of dark sorcery. Biden had no policy platform at all and no ambitions to pass any legislation during his term and instead rode a message of simply managing the status quo, and yet managed to fuck up everything he laid his fingers on and bungled foreign and domestic policy again and again and again. Afghanistan completely imploded in embarrassing fashion in one of our worst military defeats while Biden was completely asleep at the wheel, complete silence out of the white house. Trump got elected on the messaging of a snake oil salesman, promising America he would shit tiffany cufflinks- and then went up to the white house and inexplicably managed to actually shit tiffany cufflinks: passing his tax cuts, built most of his wall, suppressed illegal immigration, flipped the economy from stagnating to booming via deregulation, got over half the middle east to peace and friendship with Israel, appointed a gorillion judges including two scotus, ended NAFTA and the paris deal and iran deal, and when the pandemic hit operation warp speed actually lived up to its name


Not to mention his opponent's strategy of talking nonstop about Hunter Biden's dick exclusively two weeks prior to the casting of the votes. Biggest gift of all is having your opponent throw the election for you. Who the fuck loses reelection lol. It had to be a dive.

The quality of the candidates is the worse problem. I would like to have two good choices and we just had two stinkers.

As shitty as Biden is he is better than that big pile of steaming Trump with his shitty kids all up in the white house.

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Not to mention his opponent's strategy of talking nonstop about Hunter Biden's dick exclusively two weeks prior to the casting of the votes. Biggest gift of all is having your opponent throw the election for you. Who the fuck loses reelection lol. It had to be a dive.

The quality of the candidates is the worse problem. I would like to have two good choices and we just had two stinkers.


First past the post is just a race to the bottom in the direction of the ruling class. In our case the ruling class is right-wing corporations, so we can't even go back to the tax rate of 5 years ago without it being radically left wing.
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First past the post is just a race to the bottom in the direction of the ruling class. In our case the ruling class is right-wing corporations, so we can't even go back to the tax rate of 5 years ago without it being radically left wing.


Bezos/Musk 2024
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Bezos/Musk 2024


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First past the post is just a race to the bottom in the direction of the ruling class. In our case the ruling class is right-wing corporations, so we can't even go back to the tax rate of 5 years ago without it being radically left wing.


All the corps went BLM

LEFTIES HAVE
the corporations.
TV
major part of social media
sports
hollywood

am i missing any thing?


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Not to mention his opponent's strategy of talking nonstop about Hunter Biden's dick exclusively two weeks prior to the casting of the votes. Biggest gift of all is having your opponent throw the election for you. Who the fuck loses reelection lol. It had to be a dive.

The quality of the candidates is the worse problem. I would like to have two good choices and we just had two stinkers.

As shitty as Biden is he is better than that big pile of steaming Trump with his shitty kids all up in the white house.


If you must know, he didn't lose re-election. Despite everything Goomshill mentioned, they still had to spread out some 200-300k fake votes in-between the various swing states to clinch the election.

Turns out that's all you need to pull off a steal, is about 200-300k pre-printed fake mail-in ballots.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 10 2022 02:04pm)
Biden was gifted his election by having the entire democratic establishment and media prop him up in a coordinated effort to suppress the progressives and throw their weight around one unpopular centrist, squeaking by the incumbent only by a hair only when the country was in the midst of a natural calamity and voting itself locked down around the nation. Trump waded through a field of fierce primary competition that started conspiring against him to the point of throwing their weight behind the opposing party, flipped the party's stance on entrenched social issues, survived the dirty tricks and most negative coordinated media blitz in the history of elections and still beat the invulnerable goliath the pollsters were giving a 99% chance to win. Biden has the entire media establishment covering up his faults down to even the micromanaging level of censoring social media when it shows him in a negative light, Trump had four years of witch hunting accusing him of dark sorcery. Biden had no policy platform at all and no ambitions to pass any legislation during his term and instead rode a message of simply managing the status quo, and yet managed to fuck up everything he laid his fingers on and bungled foreign and domestic policy again and again and again. Afghanistan completely imploded in embarrassing fashion in one of our worst military defeats while Biden was completely asleep at the wheel, complete silence out of the white house. Trump got elected on the messaging of a snake oil salesman, promising America he would shit tiffany cufflinks- and then went up to the white house and inexplicably managed to actually shit tiffany cufflinks: passing his tax cuts, built most of his wall, suppressed illegal immigration, flipped the economy from stagnating to booming via deregulation, got over half the middle east to peace and friendship with Israel, appointed a gorillion judges including two scotus, ended NAFTA and the paris deal and iran deal, and when the pandemic hit operation warp speed actually lived up to its name


I agree with most of what you are saying but you should know that pulling out of the Iran deal was a bad thing. It's not in America's interests to go to war with Iran, but it is in Israel's interests. Also, it's Israel that is aggressive towards most of the middle east, not the other way around. They will accept nothing less than total domination over the region which is a problem, because it means that the region will never see peace as long as this attitude exists amongst Israelis. Israel was also deeply involved with the creation of ISIS and has openly given support to the Al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria, further contributing to destabilization of the area. Israel was hoping the takfiri terrorists would take over Syria completely. They need to answer for this.

I generally applaud the conservative movement but the unabashed and thoughtless support for Israel, who want to force the US into an unnecessary war with Iran, is a very serious flaw.

edit: and just to be fair, support for Israel is not just a conservative thing, but is practically required for any serious politician on either side to maintain their career. This is a US problem as a whole.

This post was edited by chopstickz777 on Jan 10 2022 04:44pm
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Jan 10 2022 04:47pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 10 Jan 2022 22:45)
A president's task is to decide what kind of strategy he wants to pursue and then be successful at it. That could be wrangling votes when in a split congress to find a compromise position. That could be unilateralism, trying to bypass congress and etch a legacy out of executive orders and exploiting chevon doctrine and finding quibbling workarounds. It could be a supermajority crusader passing the every whim of his party. Each president has to adapt to the reality of their position and find a way to succeed despite it. We've had plenty of compromising centrist presidents throughout the nations history, steeped in bureaucracy, trying to carefully balance all the interests and stakeholders. When Obama couldn't pass his policies through congress, he tried to build them out of every unilateral power he could find and invented a few new ones along the way, but he was building on quicksand and it was all swept away as soon as the next president was in.

I don't think Biden was dealt any tougher a hand than most of his predecessors. Obama faced plenty of obstruction too. Most of the big bold progressive changes are so unpopular with the American public that they elected a president who doesn't support them anyway, so we can't really say its a mark against him for not passing them. His mismanagement and being asleep at the wheel has caused unforced error in the most basic handling of foreign and domestic affairs that were already in motion, not bold new policies. Obama showed he was a competent navigator who could find a way to cheat his bold new policies into existence even if it was all just a vain affair of buying time- Biden has shown he is not competent to enforce the existing policies and basic affairs of state. Even basic diplomatic shit like the french submarine deal affair


Sorry, but I think the bolded part is completely deluded. When Obama entered office, he had a wide margin in the House and 58 seats in the Senate, which later expanded to the only filibuster-proof majority any party has had in that chamber during our lifetime.


Today, we're talking about a very different, more ideologically streamlined and radical Democratic party than back in 2009. They are still reeling from the trauma of 2016 and four years of Trump, influenced by an ever growing progressive caucus which has become triple digits strong. Give this party the same amount of wiggle room Obama had and you get a $10 trillion spending package, HR1 signed into law 1 week after inauguration, a packed Supreme Court and federal judiciary, full-blown amnesty including a fast-track to citizenship, the complete federalization of national elections, a massive hollowing out of the 2nd amendment as well as sweeping "hate speech" legislation to punish any wrongthink. And probably some overzealous climate legislation and zany shit like reparations to the Taliban or 100% federal cost coverage for third-trimester abortions.

If they end up with 55-58 votes in the Senate instead of 60, they probably go nuclear and then pass all of the above.
From a liberal pov, Biden could and should have achieved more than he did, but we must be realistic and acknowledge that he came from a fundamentally different starting position than Obama.





Quote (Goomshill @ 10 Jan 2022 23:04)
[...] Biden had no policy platform at all and no ambitions to pass any legislation during his term and instead rode a message of simply managing the status quo, and yet managed to fuck up everything he laid his fingers on and bungled foreign and domestic policy again and again and again.[...]

As a famous politician once said:
Quote (Barack Obama)
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up"


This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 10 2022 04:52pm
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