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Dec 16 2021 06:25am
Quote (BarackOhBama @ Dec 16 2021 06:53am)
You didn't understand my message. I wasn't asking if the US were doing enough against DiScRiMiNaTiOn, i was asking if they were actually confusing islamophobia and race discrimination.
Muslims are people, Islam is an idea and I believe no healthy society should prevent you from "discriminating" between ideas, this is called discernement, discrimination is not a bad word it is the base of any thought.
Two types of societies have banned islamophobia or christian phobia: Middle age european countries and muslim countries nowadays. It was death penalty in both cases which is the normal way to go if you recognize some thoughts as being sacred by the law.



You asked if it is condemned by the US law, and I answered, yes. Every type of religious discrimination is condemned by US law. DiScRiMiNaTiOn has more than one definition, but I think you knew that >_>

I then went deeper to say how it is now used as an overly vague concept used to silence people. Which is the whole point of this bill. It is not about islamophobia it is about restricting speech. It is a euphemism.

Thank you for the history lesson, but I am well aware of the what Islam is.

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You asked if it is condemned by the US law, and I answered, yes. Every type of religious discrimination is condemned by US law.


That was my question and I find it to be a problem on its own, the rest you wrote was due to the fact that you didn't read my message..

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That was my question and I find it to be a problem on its own, the rest you wrote was due to the fact that you didn't read my message..



The rest I wrote in addition to responding to your message. It’s not hard to be non confrontational while replying to me.

But yes it is a problem. A huge problem. The United States has essentially lost freedom of speech, this is just one part of it. Little by little they will make terrible excuses to keep chipping away at what we can and cannot say in public. Keep in mind this bill was not popular among barely anybody until a congresswoman made a bad joke at a small fundraiser. Next thing you know we will be ordering our coffee “natural” or something. Woke has gotten completely out of hand.
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Dec 16 2021 08:51am
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 15 2021 03:36pm)
constitutionally no state can leave the union, nor form a confederation among states within a union, not create currency for use within said illegal confederation.

why do you hate the constitution sir?




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Dec 16 2021 09:02am
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 16 2021 09:51am)
^sirthom

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because they dont understand it
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^sirthom

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I'm sure King George said the same thing about the revolutionaries.
Are you a loyalist to the English crown?

"The nations of these Confederate States of Earth, each state acting in her free and independent manner, invoking the justice and providence of Almighty God, have elected to secede from the Union of Earth States, on the grounds of said government no longer having the best interests of the peoples of Earth at heart, it is the belief of the Confederate people that withdrawing from a nation detrimental to the rights and liberties of the people it is supposed to fairly govern is the only way we can preserve our freedom, self-determination and rights, we, the free and independent people of these Confederate States, therefore affirm our independence and our own governance."
—The first paragraph of the Declaration of Confederate Independence

Nothing about slavery in there. Hmmmmmm.
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I'm sure King George said the same thing about the revolutionaries.
Are you a loyalist to the English crown?

"The nations of these Confederate States of Earth, each state acting in her free and independent manner, invoking the justice and providence of Almighty God, have elected to secede from the Union of Earth States, on the grounds of said government no longer having the best interests of the peoples of Earth at heart, it is the belief of the Confederate people that withdrawing from a nation detrimental to the rights and liberties of the people it is supposed to fairly govern is the only way we can preserve our freedom, self-determination and rights, we, the free and independent people of these Confederate States, therefore affirm our independence and our own governance."
—The first paragraph of the Declaration of Confederate Independence

^NetflixAdaptationWidow Nothing about slavery in there. Hmmmmmm.


Confederate States: Actively tie themselves to slavery

Cucks 160 years later: Yeah but literally every word they wrote wasn't about slavery. Checkmate!


The debate over the cause of secession is a really interesting microcosm. The people at the time knew, historians have always known and been virtually unanimous on the subject, but political influences have done their best to convince the public of something else.
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Wrong on all accounts, but I'll start by pointing out that the confederate states and the confederacy as a whole went out of its way to demonstrate beyond any semblence of a doubt that their reason for secession was because their right to hold slaves was being infringed on.

11 of the 13 states were explicitly seceeding for slavery, the last two seceeded becuase they didn't like how the North handled the secession. This is laid out explicitly by the seceeding states including in the following

Mississippi - "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth."

South Carolina - "For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the *forms* [emphasis in the original] of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction."

Texas - "She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy."


But this such an intrinsic part of succession, surely it is in the declara
Oh, wait....
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But this such an intrinsic part of succession, surely it is in the declara
Oh, wait....


The first one was from

"A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union."


Those were all quotes from the relavent states in the documents where they declare the reasons for secession.
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I'm sure King George said the same thing about the revolutionaries.
Are you a loyalist to the English crown?

"The nations of these Confederate States of Earth, each state acting in her free and independent manner, invoking the justice and providence of Almighty God, have elected to secede from the Union of Earth States, on the grounds of said government no longer having the best interests of the peoples of Earth at heart, it is the belief of the Confederate people that withdrawing from a nation detrimental to the rights and liberties of the people it is supposed to fairly govern is the only way we can preserve our freedom, self-determination and rights, we, the free and independent people of these Confederate States, therefore affirm our independence and our own governance."
—The first paragraph of the Declaration of Confederate Independence

^NetflixAdaptationWidow Nothing about slavery in there. Hmmmmmm.


the united states colonies did not ratify legally an english constitution, because one didnt exist.

the southern states that were colonies did, and each state that joined the union thereafter via ratification of the constitution and each state's constitution did.

you can join with the approval of the existing states, and can only leave by unanimous approval of the existing states. the confederacy chose to try and leave without approval of the other states, make currency of their own without the approval of the Federal govt and against the laws of the constitution, and then create a new government seat for their new illegal govt.

even if u somehow misconstrue history into the war being one of Northern aggression, the aggression itself was legal. the north and remaining US federal govt was required by law to bring the south back into the union. just as if you refused to pay taxes and tried to start your own country within the USA the federal govt would be justified to infiltrate with force if required and take you to federal prison.


the issue with your perspective and those like you is you cite history of the confederacy and respect of the constitution, and you dont know the history or legality of either.

you'd be better off calling the constitution unfair, the laws which bind the union's states unfair, and claiming it SHOULD BE, but not IS, legal for states to withdraw alone or in a confederacy. but instead you double down with a false equivalency involving English tyranny?

The united states Supreme Court ruled in the 1860s via Texas succession that no state can leave the union at will, rendering the previous succession illegal officially, although their justification of constitutional ratification means it was always illegal. it simply wasn't ruled as illegal before the civil war because a war was fought instead of trying to use legal means to bring them back into the union. for obvious reasons, a confederacy so brazen to leave a union will also not follow the directives of the USSC.

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