Quote (sirthom @ Dec 16 2021 10:18am)
I'm sure King George said the same thing about the revolutionaries.
Are you a loyalist to the English crown?
"The nations of these Confederate States of Earth, each state acting in her free and independent manner, invoking the justice and providence of Almighty God, have elected to secede from the Union of Earth States, on the grounds of said government no longer having the best interests of the peoples of Earth at heart, it is the belief of the Confederate people that withdrawing from a nation detrimental to the rights and liberties of the people it is supposed to fairly govern is the only way we can preserve our freedom, self-determination and rights, we, the free and independent people of these Confederate States, therefore affirm our independence and our own governance."
—The first paragraph of the Declaration of Confederate Independence
^NetflixAdaptationWidow Nothing about slavery in there. Hmmmmmm.
the united states colonies did not ratify legally an english constitution, because one didnt exist.
the southern states that were colonies did, and each state that joined the union thereafter via ratification of the constitution and each state's constitution did.
you can join with the approval of the existing states, and can only leave by unanimous approval of the existing states. the confederacy chose to try and leave without approval of the other states, make currency of their own without the approval of the Federal govt and against the laws of the constitution, and then create a new government seat for their new illegal govt.
even if u somehow misconstrue history into the war being one of Northern aggression, the aggression itself was legal. the north and remaining US federal govt was required by law to bring the south back into the union. just as if you refused to pay taxes and tried to start your own country within the USA the federal govt would be justified to infiltrate with force if required and take you to federal prison.
the issue with your perspective and those like you is you cite history of the confederacy and respect of the constitution, and you dont know the history or legality of either.
you'd be better off calling the constitution unfair, the laws which bind the union's states unfair, and claiming it SHOULD BE, but not IS, legal for states to withdraw alone or in a confederacy. but instead you double down with a false equivalency involving English tyranny?
The united states Supreme Court ruled in the 1860s via Texas succession that no state can leave the union at will, rendering the previous succession illegal officially, although their justification of constitutional ratification means it was always illegal. it simply wasn't ruled as illegal before the civil war because a war was fought instead of trying to use legal means to bring them back into the union. for obvious reasons, a confederacy so brazen to leave a union will also not follow the directives of the USSC.
This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 16 2021 09:38am