Wrong. They have collapsed due to a coordinated effort by evil capitalist powers to sabotage/overthrow socialist & communist movements. Duh

Also real communism has never been implemented reeee

This post was edited by WiziLiCe on Nov 15 2021 10:33pm

And again, you revert to the approach of "He's defending communism". I'm not lol. I'm criticizing your obvious hypocrisy.

Notice how the numbers go up over time? That's because capitalism made it a god damn industry to capture and breed humans. Slavery happened, but not at near the same level. "Oh, they fixed it". Cool story, I'm not saying capitalism is the root of all evil or even that communism is a viable system, I'm saying you're a hack for refusing to even acknowledge the damage caused by capitalism. It exists and you're incapable of even acknowledging it.



>Communists can't even grow their own food! They're terrible and evil and awful!
>We can't let Communism succeed! They're so powerful they'll nuke us from space!

There's an interesting contradiction in the notion of communism vs capitalism. Capitalists simultaneously see communism as a fundamentally impossible to sustain system that destroys huge amounts of its population, and such a massive existential threat due to its efficiency that they must be destroyed at all cost. Russia unironically beat us to space. We only "won" the space race because we moved the goal posts twice and they weren't really interested in going to the moon as much as the satellites they put up.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Nov 16 2021 01:46am

That's essentially what you see at work here. People are so desperate to denounce communism (and rightly so, I'd say) that they lose all sense of skepticism towards opposing systems. They fear that expressing criticism towards capitalism will make them perceived as a supporter of communism.

So they end up saying stuff like:



... without ever realizing that they are using a double standard to blame communism for its casualties, and excuse capitalism for its casualties.

capitalism, our reality, it simply is and not dependent on belief to exist
socialism, idealist fantasy
communism, not practical even in fantasy

can't really compare fantasy to the real thing, people like to be critical of capitalism because it's an easy target as it's the only one that has stood the test of time, there has never been a decent alternative and people who have tried to force these unnatural fantasy systems have only seen populations led to slaughter, their societies collapsing and reverting back to something that works

Seems pretty accurate.
Nice job

Let's circle back to the beginning of the conversation.



What you've done is draw an equivalence between capitalism and communism. After all, either system results in tens of millions of deaths, and neither system has clean hands, right?

There's two things wrong with this. One, the numbers don't add up. The figures killed by a handful of communism regimes over very short periods of time are astronomically higher than comparable systems. The millions of famine deaths in the Ukraine (intentional) and China (unintentional) are unheard of in contemporary (and modern) capitalist nations because they resulted specifically from a combination of 1) concentrated political power, and 2) ideological incompetence. Two, your line of thinking can easily be applied to other regimes that you're not liable to defend. We might as well say that Nazism and capitalism are equivalent, because "either system results in tens of millions of deaths", and "neither system has clean hands". But of course the Nazi regime committed atrocities on a scale that make us justifiably disgusted with the prospect of a repeat, so much so Germany has criminalized disputing the extent of its crimes. China employs the "dirty hands" argument today to excuse genocide in Xinjiang.

Slaves made up ~40% of the Italian population during the late Republic early principate period. I'm not sure what "not nearly at the same level" is supposed to mean. Slavery was endemic, it was organized, and it was brutal (see: mine/quarry life expectancy). It's not surprising that the same people lobbying for a reduced emphasis on the Classics in education have a very poor grasp on Classical history.

No lol

Its really pathetic that you say im drawing an equivalence while quoting me saying communism isn't viable.

You are so desperate to shift the conversation. If you just said "yeah capitalism isn't perfect" this conversation would have been over long ago, but you aren't even capable of that.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Nov 16 2021 08:28am

this is still a very relevant question

Name a country which can be considered capitalistic which didn't had slavery.

Capitalism: companies are for the most part owned by one or a few non-government person

Communism: everything is owned by the state (at least in the communist countries that exist today)

Socialism: No clue!