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Jul 16 2021 01:04pm
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Atheists don't deserve to be involved in bible analysis.


Neither do bootlicking evangelicals that would have been pro-crucifixion.
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Neither do bootlicking evangelicals that would have been pro-crucifixion.


"If a thief steals from you, make them your slave."
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i'd much rather work 10 hours in a turn of the century sweat shop than subsistence farm 50 or so years before that. pretty easy choice for me tbh, i have tried to subsistence farm more or less. i did a month on only what i could grow or gather, in peak harvest season, with live egg laying birds, and allowing myself freezer chickens i raised. i lost 40 lbs without really trying to lose more than 10. it was hell.

crop rotation, anhydrous spraying and understanding of top soil has indeed put an end to famines, but i dont think we can entirely divorce those from capitalism. famines are terrible for business, and spraying operations are huge businesses independently contracting for farmers in most locations, its a direct function of monetized trade.

edit: and crop strength, at the cost of diversity, is largely due to GMOs and hybirds that are a direct result of big ag, another boon to famines.


IMO unless we solve several big problems we're going to be seeing famines again within our lifetimes.

Another thing that's interesting, is the earth was far more producing before industrialization. In the Americas there were flocks of millions of birds you could cast a net into and catch dinner for the week. We hunted them to extinction. The coasts had WAAAAAY more fish. The number of animals available to hunt was also much much greater.

IMO markets are great at optimizing, but capitalism isn't the only system with markets. Socialism is basically markets with social ownership of businesses by the workers. Business with democracy. IMO that's pretty ballin.

Also, most of that research and the basis for those technologies came from public universities and public funding of scientific advancement.

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IMO unless we solve several big problems we're going to be seeing famines again within our lifetimes.

Another thing that's interesting, is the earth was far more producing before industrialization. In the Americas there were flocks of millions of birds you could cast a net into and catch dinner for the week. We hunted them to extinction. The coasts had WAAAAAY more fish. The number of animals available to hunt was also much much greater.

IMO markets are great at optimizing, but capitalism isn't the only system with markets. Socialism is basically markets with social ownership of businesses by the workers. Business with democracy. IMO that's pretty ballin.


the issues that would lead to famine or shortages in the first world will be solved once they poke their heads out, desalinization, topsoil erosion, etc. We're too big to fail. Africa, Brazil, etc tho. Ya, they're gonna be fucked at some point.

ive never in my life come across a model for employee owned and operated businesses that looks like it would work long term. profit sharing is fine, because payments in and out are yearly, but ownership and decision making should never fall to the plebs of the world. likewise if its intellectuals they'll fall to infighting. business hierarchy creates lots of losers, and disproportionately rich winners, but its also sustainable. not until we can hand that responsibility off to AI will that system work long term, imo.

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you truly consume utter shit

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the issues that would lead to famine or shortages in the first world will be solved once they poke their heads out, desalinization, topsoil erosion, etc. We're too big to fail. Africa, Brazil, etc tho. Ya, they're gonna be fucked at some point.

ive never in my life come across a model for employee owned and operated businesses that looks like it would work long term. profit sharing is fine, because payments in and out are yearly, but ownership and decision making should never fall to the plebs of the world. likewise if its intellectuals they'll fall to infighting. business hierarchy creates lots of losers, and disproportionately rich winners, but its also sustainable. not until we can hand that responsibility off to AI will that system work long term, imo.

you truly consume utter shit


Lots of utility companies operate as collectives using this model. They're overwhelmingly more successful than the traditionally structured utility companies.

So they definitely exist.
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Lots of utility companies operate as collectives using this model. They're overwhelmingly more successful than the traditionally structured utility companies.

So they definitely exist.


I get my car repairs done at an employee-owned shop.
It turns out if your boss isn’t leeching $60/hour off of each employee’s productivity then your job pays pretty damn well.

They occasionally hire a new guy and pay tuition for him to take classes at a trade school. It’s a pretty sweet gig.
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Lots of utility companies operate as collectives using this model. They're overwhelmingly more successful than the traditionally structured utility companies.

So they definitely exist.


If you have a link to any i'd be interested to read about them.
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Jul 16 2021 02:08pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jul 16 2021 02:27pm)
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Atheists don't deserve to be involved in bible analysis.


Atheists seem like the only people who have actually read the Bible.
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Jul 16 2021 03:43pm
Quote (Doggyfood @ Jul 16 2021 11:19am)
I don’t think Jesus is the neoliberal you think he is

Luke 3:11
English Standard Version
11 And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics[a] is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

1 John 3:17
English Standard Version
17 But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?



You are uneducated about Jesus and politics:

Right wing: people should be encouraged to freely give to those in need.
Left wing: we should forcibly take from people and give to others.

Jesus: people should be encouraged to give to those in need.

Hope that helps.
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