Have you heard of Malthusianism? In the 1800s, Thomas Malthus predicted that the exponentially increasing population at the time was unsustainable when considering the growth of resources required to sustain it

What he didn't consider was that technological innovation results in a growth of resources (and a more efficient use of scarce resources) far greater than a linear pattern. He was proven to be wrong and his theories were discredited in the years since

Assuming we have the resources to sustain it, a higher population increases the survival chances of the human race rather than hinders it. Climate change can be solved with innovation, the only problem is we're about 30 years too late and have caused irreversible damage (or can we innovate out of that, too?)

I don't think there's any logical basis for having a population as low as 1 or 2 bn

The Malthusian predictions hinged on a lack of adequate food production and housing rather than on an unsustainable consumption of non-renewable resources. Look, I agree that climate change as an issue is overrated by the climate zealots and that technological innovation, rather than sacrifice and restricions, is the only way to solve it. But this doesn't mean that the planet can sustain an ever-increasing abuse. There is only so much fresh water and arable land, only so much silicone and lithium to produce all the chips, solar panels and batteries, only so much uranium to fuel nuclear power plants, only so many fish we can extract from the oceans per year, and so on and on.

Barring earthshattering technological breakthroughs which might be many decades away (fusion power, synthetic food, unlimited carbon capture capacities), the world cannot sustain 8 or 10 billion people at a first world living standard. Since I consider a reduction of 'our' living standard to be unacceptable, the safest bet is to push both technological progress and a reduction of the global population.

I won't go through every point but water can be recycled, synthetic foods made to supplement our diets, even wind farms easily possess the potential to power the world many times over

We can't sustain 8 billion people at a first world living standard right now, but in 50-100 years it is likely that we could

How can you lack food production when everyone can easily have indoorgardens and harvest crops all year round. (More than you need to survive if you flip your rooms by intervals)

How do you have poverty when everyone can easily have a billion dollars?

Perhaps, but what if not? For example, all the wind farms still require material and energy to be produced, and they require batteries, unimaginable amounts of batteries, to store all the excess energy for days without wind. Where are the rare earths for those batteries supposed to come from?

And the transition to get to this equilibrium point will be dicey too. Hundreds of millions of people in emerging countries are pressing to lift their living standard up to a Western level while mankind is not living sustainably as of today. Chances are that modest technological progress in e.g. fighting climate change will be overcompensated by their increased consumption levels.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 3 2021 12:50pm

There's no poverty. Poverty is in your head because you adopted a System that ain't real. Only reasons we have all these brackets in life is because "we" mentally accepted them. You can easily supply yourself for the rest of yourself without any assistance thus making you rich. Rich how? Health, food, roof on top of your head you can make your own electricity by using manure which come from your livecrops, there's solar energy , wind turbine... . You can travel around the world for not that much if you have a tuned up van.

Life is yours for very cheap nowadays.

Just that people lived their whole life repeating the same shit day after day not learning new set of skills.

I learn daily and everyday and never stop seeking the information that help me self made in every single way possible.

I own my life. i 100% own it. i 100% own my time forever.

People should seek that versus being fulfilled with a job that pay less than 100$ per hour. Just working for someone else is bad as fuck. be your own boss. dont belong to someone for $

This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on Aug 3 2021 12:48pm

lmao @ people thinking we will raise indefinitely even after years 2100 when in 20 years we will be lacking everything starting by silver, zinc and so much more.
mine some eth while you fucking can before the system collapse

Crypto won't save the world...

In a world of chaos; food, water, survival stuff , being self reliant and also, speaking more than one language and one of the most imp: medication will be the liquid gold.

Metals are mostly used for technologies/advancement. We can survive without all that.

Our problem is that, if the world goes to shit at the same time, it'll create chaos we never seen before because most people don't have the skills to survive and will go into panic mode.

I wouldn't be surprised if 9 ppl on 10 here didn't know how to make fire by themselves without a lighter or matches.

Ask people to turn stagnant/salt water into drinkable water. You'll be surprised how much they will cry for mom and dad.

This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on Aug 3 2021 02:04pm

well, south africa just had one of the biggest coal power plants in the world go online

when will people stop talking about this battery nonsense? you CANT store electricity in such quantities, even batteries the size of the empire state building will be empty in a heartbeat on a cold january morning

i know that you get it, but that shit triggers me every single time