Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 25 2021 11:36am)

I support stripping funding from institutions of higher learning which are caught restricting a free and open exchange of ideas and viewpoints, for example by allowing the cancellation of conservative speakers and such.
Basing this on the self-reported ideology of the student body or teaching staff is wrong on multiple levels though.

The ideological slant is hard to measure, particularly when the universities know that their funding is on the line. They'll just lie about their true ideology in these surveys. This, in turn, will require the government or some sort of oversight body to assess the ideological slant of a college, which just shifts the whole issue onto the political and ideological lean of this oversight committee. The only thing this will achieve is a further politicization of academia and a split between red and blue state colleges.

The proper solution is to identify and address the underlying reasons for the liberal bias of academia. For example by changing the pay, benefit and incentive structure. Or by creating more positions for professors who have real life work experience in their field rather than lifelong career academics.
But all of that is far more difficult to pull off and requires a long breath. It's also not as suited to riling up the right-wing base, so I doubt that the GOP has much interest.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 25 2021 11:53am)

We're not on the same page.

I do see left bias in academia as an issue, albeit one i think is drastically oversold drawing on examples of liberal arts majors being spoonfed bias confirming information in classes like women's studies and african studies, but it's real. it exists.

my only focus is how ineffectual this measure is. because of how ineffectual this measure is. top to bottom.

it has the same effectiveness as gun buyback programs do in gun control.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 25 2021 12:44pm)

how do u separate free speech infringement from legitimate safety concerns when it comes to banning or cancelling certain speeches?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 25 2021 11:44am)

It's an issue because like most other things in the US it's become a product to be sold. In some ways very similar to the iPhone.

You basically say well if you don't like the product then go to trade schools. That would be fine and all but the thing if education was funded exclusively by the person buying it but we know that's not true. So in Florida, when 55% of Floridians say we approve of DeSantis actions, this somewhat publicly subsidized product is not somehow immune or independent from the people subsidizing it criticism. Public universities are not independent of the hand that feeds them. That's just been the status quo for long enough that they think this is somehow some sort of infringement.

Quote (thesnipa @ 25 Jun 2021 18:44)

how do u separate free speech infringement from legitimate safety concerns when it comes to banning or cancelling certain speeches?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 25 2021 12:50pm)

There should not be safety concerns at a university, period. Universities shall not give in to militant students who try to cancel an unwelcome speaker by (implicitly) threatening violence or unrest.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 25 2021 10:50am)

There should not be safety concerns at a university, period. Universities shall not give in to militant students who try to cancel an unwelcome speaker by (implicitly) threatening violence or unrest.

Quote (inkanddagger @ Jun 25 2021 01:55pm)

I agree. Liberty University must immediately host Nikole Hannah-Jones and expel and terminate any student or faculty who boo or otherwise harass the speaker.