Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jun 12 2021 10:29am)

You completely ignore my points and keep repeating the same bootlicking nonsense.
I was paying $25 an hour for people to literally plug in a power cords and watch some kids run around for a few hours, so no its not comparable, i paid well over industry standard.
- No....... You are completely ignoring my points, actually, if we are being fair. I make quite a bit more than $25 an hour and I also received a degree for free through my job, full benefits, tripled my salary over my tenure and received 2 major bonuses this year for my contributions to macro development (which literally is fun for me and something I have to remind myself to stop doing before 14 hours passes - i.e. I get this salary to have what I consider fun).
- So, my company pays more than you do and I live in a Capitalist country.
- Also (which ties back into my previous point of helping people achieve knowledge rather than free handouts), while I am unable to believe that you really did pay anyone $25 an hour with how much your claims have sadly changed direction many times, do you think any of your employees feel fulfilled on said salary vs. you putting forth money to better their education and ultimately move on from the company to a more rewarding job that they can consider fun, too?

The problem with your idealism is that it is a system of unlimited opportunity for a FEW based on the exploitation of the many, you are ok with this, i am not.
- You're a millionare. You are one of the few. End of story really.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 11 2021 08:33pm)

Hilarious, so i assume you walked into this role at 15 completely unskilled like my workers did and that you now run the company right?
Yes i am one of the few, now address my point or shut up already :rofl:

Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jun 12 2021 10:41am)

Well, to that I would respond:

Hilarious, so i assume you walked into this role at 15 completely unskilled like my workers did and that you now run the company right?
- From 14-16 I worked at McDonalds.
- From 16-18 I worked at ShopRite.
- From 18-22 I did car electronics installations at a local shop and did a few nights a week delivering Pizza.
- From 22-25 I worked in Customer Service at the company I work for today in the call center.
- From 25-27 I worked in Account Services.
- From 28-30 I worked as a Quality Control Auditor
- From 30-Current - I am a Business Analyst and as of 2 years ago through hours of study and a few classes I paid for out of pocket (which were covered in full and them some by a tax free bonus upon completion), an office software developer (technically macros, but, when many of them are thousands of lines of code, they reach far beyond basic recording).
- No, at 15 I definitely didn't work there.

Yes i am one of the few, now address my point or shut up already
- I did already. You're a Millionaire pointing the finger up at the higher-on-the-ladder due to envy. The truth is, until you aren't a millionaire, you have no fingers to point and your economic principles are honestly not relevant. You benefited from the same systems you scold. That's a double standard.

/edit - if they didn't earn it, you didn't earn it. You said it yourself - the night shift low-level worker worked just as hard but isn't a millionaire.......

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 11 2021 08:44pm)

See nothing to discuss we simply have a different sense of morals.

Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jun 12 2021 10:48am)

If I could afford a $5 million home and was a millionaire, to be honest, the last thing I would do is buy a 3/4 $1 million home.

As specified above, as someone who makes far less than you, I already donate $85 of the far less than you that I earn to hospitals dedicated to childrens cancer research and childrens disability research. I'd be perfectly fine in an average home and would be glad to donate the rest / set the futures of my children up rather than flex with an unnecessary house/cars (if applicable). That's just me, though - there's no judgement here honestly. It's your life. But you're not going to gain any credibility by denouncing the rich when you are rich. You need to donate it all first.

I also wouldn't point the fingers at those who have more commas in their bank account when I, myself, haven't admitted to contributing anything positive to the needy with my millions.

I agree - we do. Be well :)

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 11 2021 09:11pm)

I give a lot of money to charities, the difference between me and most conservatives i have noticed is i just do it i do not need to tell everyone i did it.

Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jun 12 2021 11:15am)

Well... you said I wasn't paid fairly for what I do and I simply used excess expenditures such as donations as an example of something that one who wasn't paid adequately couldn't afford. Let's keep things within perspective -- I mentioned an $85 donation - you mentioned a $750,000 home, ability to buy a $5 million home and used the term "a lot of money" in terms of charitable donations rather than an actual figure.

My donations are also anonymous to both,

I’m not sure what the intent is here anymore, honestly.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 11 2021 09:26pm)

No matter what you earn the company you work for is getting excess value from you, period, you think you are being paid well because its enough to get you by congratulations you found your dream job.
You are still being exploited.
You mentioned your donations all over this forum long before i mentioned them champ.
A $750,000 home here in the capital city of australia is pretty much below market average for a 3 bedroom, i made enough money to live comfortably in retirement, i am not hoarding money like a dragon sitting on a pile of gold and jewels, i beat the system and now i am able to do the things i enjoy, this is NOT the same thing, you seem to be too busy with the boot licking to be able to comprehend how much money a billion dollars is.
A million seconds is 12 days. A billion seconds is 31 years.
This is not the same thing.

Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jun 12 2021 11:42am)

No matter what you earn the company you work for is getting excess value from you, period, you think you are being paid well because its enough to get you by congratulations you found your dream job.
You are still being exploited.
- And those employees you pay $25 an hour are providing you with excess value as well. This is simply how it works. So I guess you, too, are exploiting them?

You mentioned your donations all over this forum long before i mentioned them champ.
- You're right - I sure did and I explained why. I'm very curious as to your numbers, though - I have disclosed mine.

A $750,000 home here in the capital city of australia is pretty much below market average for a 3 bedroom, i made enough money to live comfortably in retirement, i am not hoarding money like a dragon sitting on a pile of gold and jewels, i beat the system and now i am able to do the things i enjoy, this is NOT the same thing, you seem to be too busy with the boot licking to be able to comprehend how much money a billion dollars is.
- You are choosing to live in an area that is massively expensive and bought a home in said area. That doesn't negate that it's most certainly a cog in the life of excess.
- I am glad that you beat whatever system you were against. Good for you! Success in life based on one's own merits is the definition of capitalism and you're a perfect example.
- I, too, enjoy what I do, so I guess I can definitely relate.
- I know what a billion dollars is. I also know what multi-millions of dollars are and can average the wealth of someone who owns a $750,000 home and can buy a $5 million home on the Jersey Shore with no issues. Again - 95% of Americans can't claim that (and 100% of those in Socialist countries will never be able to).

A million seconds is 12 days. A billion seconds is 31 years.
This is not the same thing.
- Right, but comparing the rich to the rich is the same thing. Put your money where your compassion is and downsize/move to a cheaper area if you want to have a hand in making a difference.
- What you're actually doing is, again, what-about-ism. I am rich, but they have more, therefore the needy aren't my responsibility until I am the one with the most. I have seen this before.