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Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 19 2021 06:53pm)
Wealthy parts of the cities are not policed in the same way as poorer areas. A police officer isn't going to pull over and illegally search somebody who lives 3 blocks down from the judge's house. Well, they might, if they don't look like they belong.... (hint hint).

And we know that since most schools are funded by property tax the fact that we spend a lot on education doesn't mean much because the distribution is garbage.

You are absolutely intent on compartmentalizing lol


And yet the people who have experience in these marginalized communities want the police. Can you imagine how much better the conversation would be if we weren't fostering lies in the community?
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Wealthy parts of the cities are not policed in the same way as poorer areas. A police officer isn't going to pull over and illegally search somebody who lives 3 blocks down from the judge's house. Well, they might, if they don't look like they belong.... (hint hint).

And we know that since most schools are funded by property tax the fact that we spend a lot on education doesn't mean much because the distribution is garbage.

You are absolutely intent on compartmentalizing lol


This is absurd. Like... total banana republic levels of absurd. :wacko:

If I was tasked with making a nominally democratic country as neofeudal as possible under the surface, and I could only change exactly one policy to achieve this goal, it would be tying education quality to the wealth of the parents. Education is THE utmost factor for upward mobility. There's no more efficient way of guaranteeing that poor people stay poor than making sure that their schools suck.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 19 2021 06:27pm)
This is absurd. Like... total banana republic levels of absurd. :wacko:

If I was tasked with making a nominally democratic country as neofeudal as possible under the surface, and I could only change exactly one policy to achieve this goal, it would be tying education quality to the wealth of the parents. Education is THE utmost factor for upward mobility. There's no more efficient way of guaranteeing that poor people stay poor than making sure that their schools suck.


Depending on who you listen to you would think it's a happy accident, but these kinds of policies were set up explicitly in the 1900s to keep certain groups poorer. And now when I tell you about redlining and tell you that for a long time it was impossible for black families to get home loans in nice neighborhoods you see that this has a huge effect on the upward mobility of their kids
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And yet the people who have experience in these marginalized communities want the police. Can you imagine how much better the conversation would be if we weren't fostering lies in the community?


Good thing defund the police doesn't mean get rid of the police or you might have a point.
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Depending on who you listen to you would think it's a happy accident, but these kinds of policies were set up explicitly in the 1900s to keep certain groups poorer. And now when I tell you about redlining and tell you that for a long time it was impossible for black families to get home loans in nice neighborhoods you see that this has a huge effect on the upward mobility of their kids


I think you're misunderstanding my position in this thread: I do not dispute your examples of how racist policies of the past have been a huge factor for the present-day wealth disparaity between black and white Americans. What I am disagreeing with is not your explanation of how we got to the status quo, it's with your proposed remedy for this status quo.

Explicitly promoting policies which, to put it briefly, take whites down a peg to make up for past sins is just a really toxic approach which, in my humble opinion, will only lead to more racial animosity and political turmoil. Ramping up anti-white identity politics will not lead to improved race relations or national healing, it will pave the way for a worse and more competent/dangerous demagogue than Trump.

My approach would be to 1. end all explicit racism and discrimination and 2. to invest into all sorts of poor communities. You would see blacks rapidly catching up, within a generation or two, without triggering a "whitelash".
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White people are Nazis.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ 20 Feb 2021 01:36)
Good thing defund the police doesn't mean get rid of the police or you might have a point.


You're stating this as a fact while BLM activists are actually torn on this question. Some of them indeed want to get rid of the police. See, for example, the famous NYT op-ed titled "yes, we mean literally abolish the police":
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 19 2021 07:36pm)
Good thing defund the police doesn't mean get rid of the police or you might have a point.


These communities want the police funded. They don't want the police defunded in favor of pet projects.

When you name your movement after an extreme political stance, you really have no right by which to claim that you are misunderstood.
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Feb 19 2021 07:01pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 19 2021 07:35pm)
Depending on who you listen to you would think it's a happy accident, but these kinds of policies were set up explicitly in the 1900s to keep certain groups poorer. And now when I tell you about redlining and tell you that for a long time it was impossible for black families to get home loans in nice neighborhoods you see that this has a huge effect on the upward mobility of their kids


Education is decentralized in the United States because political power has a history of being decentralized, and because local communities, especially wealthy communities, preferred that they fund their local education establishments directly.

This is the application of Occam's razor in practice. You are promoting a conspiracy theory.
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Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 19 2021 07:01pm)
Education is decentralized in the United States because political power has a history of being decentralized, and because local communities, especially wealthy communities, preferred that they fund their local education establishments directly.

This is the application of Occam's razor in practice. You are promoting a conspiracy theory.


Really carrying water today. lol
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