so, youre saying you dont think poor people should be allowed to have kids...?

+10, why can't we have more posts like this!



this is good progress I can work with. So, lemme get this straight, you think that the only way to combat poverty is through socialism?

So, let's take the example of the Irish immigrants that came to America during the potato famine. Would you agree that coming to America represented a reduction in poverty for those immigrants? And, if so, do you claim that that reduction in poverty happened because they become beneficiaries of a socialist system of income?

This post was edited by Kayeto on Feb 1 2021 02:52am

and as I've said before, I couldn't care less about human life that isn't a person. No brain = no consciousness = not a person = no rights or moral weight

The single difference between a viable pregnancy and a non-viable one is the ability to support a brain, the brain (by generating consciousness) is the single determining factor to personhood.



lol no. My wife has an agriculture degree. I definitely don't know more than snipa about farming.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 1 2021 08:50am

that is A common difference, it is by no means the SINGLE difference. thats pretty basic, and not up for debate. if you choose to make that your determining factor in whether its acceptable to abort or not, thats up to you, but realize that its pretty arbitrary and not the only factor.

to give one example, the brain could be functioning normally, but the heart is malformed and doesnt work. according to you, since the brain is fundtioning thats a viable pregnancy. but if the heart is malformed the embryo will not last very long and is not viable.


if you choose not to learn from others, thats up to you. i do...

This post was edited by ReturnFormer on Feb 1 2021 09:30am

Abolishing abortion and welfare would solve the single parent issue overnight. Solving single parenthood would solve poverty overnight as well.

If you need money to get by in between jobs, just ask your neighbors and church. If none of those people like you, then oh well.

Right. Because those countries that have no access to abortion and no welfare are all doing great. Oh wait, most European have both, Canada, USA, New Zealand.. Most first world countries.

hold on ill handle this



yeah but america has black people in it

I think I'm somewhere between Black and Thor on this point.

I don't think abortion is a good thing (ideally we'd have none!), but not because it's murder, but because it's inherently a very invasive (mentally and physically) procedure. Education, providing contraceptives and reducing social inequality are the road towards reducing abortion rates, not illegality.

Having access to abortion is a function of technological advancement. I dont want abortion to not be possible. I just want the doctors that perform it be tried for murder/accessory to murder.

Dude, I was being sarcastic, as should have been clear by the snarky second sentence of my post.

My broader point is that reducing the amount of abortions by reducing the demand for abortions would require large-scale investment into the economic and social well-being of the lower tiers of society, that is, the exact opposite of what the U.S. have been doing in recent decades - and also the opposite of what the anti-abortion advocates are proposing on social and economic policy. See, for example, this post which exemplifies the mindset:


Deprivation and neglect are creating the conditions in which unwanted pregnancies, and thus demand for abortion, abounds.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 1 2021 10:58am