First off, is it even accurate to say antifa is on the side of Democrats or Biden? They are left-wing anarchists. My guess is most of them do not support Biden for president, whereas most of the right-wing people in the streets support Trump.

I don't think Biden needs to address antifa specifically. I'm not against him doing it, but this is a talking point coming from right-wing circles. He doesn't have to appeal to you guys. Condemning the violence from all sides in this situation is sufficient, and pointing out Trump's failure in this area is useful.

GOP in 2016: "trump doesnt need to denounce the KKK, obviously he doesnt support them. that david duke clip was overblown."

GOP in 2020: "antifa is the left's KKK and a terrorist organization"

GOP in 2020: "biden needs to denounce Antifa"

you people really are that dumb lol.

If forced to pick between Biden and Trump, the overwhelming majority of the antifa activists will choose Biden. Their hatred of Trump far exceeds any kind of grudge they have with Biden.



Second, you are underestimating the asymmetry of the situation. We have antifa groups marching through American cities vandalizing everything in their path while shouting "death to America", for example in this clip from Oakland:
https://streamable.com/jyeb7r

We also have it on tape how these antifa or BLM folks were cheering it when the purported Trump supporter was shot by one of their own in Portland. You didnt hear any disgusting comments like this in the clips where Rittenhouse shot the three guys, or the officer shot Jakob Blake. Further, the case for self-defense is far weaker in the Portland case than in the Rittenhouse case. The former appears like cold-blooded murder while the latter appears to be murky and at least partially self-defense. Also note how rallies by Trump supporters or self-declared patriots dont end up with them smashing windows, looting stores or setting buildings on fire. All those things are coming from groups aligned with the political left. Biden could perhaps still reach them if he calls on them to exercise moderation, while Trump can definitely not reach those groups anymore, no matter what he says.

See my post above: we are in a situaiton where antifa and BLM groups are active all across American cities, regularly vandalizing, looting and firestarting while they chant "death to America" and openly encourage murders. If the KKK had been doing the same things in 2016 at a comparable scale, then it would of course have been necessary for Trump to explicitly call them out for their behavior.

That Trump or the GOP didnt occupy themselves with an absolute fringe group that has very little impact these days does not mean that the Dems are off the hook when it comes to a leftist group which is wreaking very tangible havoc across a multitude of American cities in this very moment.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 31 2020 09:04am

Yep, I've just been eating this up.



There's another difference. The KKK is predicated on oppression of races. Antifa, BLM, etc. are predicated on fixing racial problems. You might disagree with their methods, but fundamentally their motivations are not in the same league of shittiness as groups like the KKK or white supremacists, and they are responding to a continued problem that stems directly from the same problems that occurred during the civil rights marches and this only happened after years of peaceful action resulting in nothing getting done.

Also, your point is weakened by the fact that we had literal Neo-Nazi rallies, attacks at a high profile rally, and have had things like shootings of black churches by white supremacists.

My point is that there's a lot of factors that cut against your argument, both directly (violence vs violence) and indirectly (motivations, peaceful history vs violent history, condemning violence)

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 31 2020 09:15am

yeah, why would someone need to denounce a group that has lynched tens of thousands of people, run jews out of hundreds of towns, burned crosses in thousands of yards, etc.

this would be like you saying "Trump doesn't need to denounce the Nazis because the Holocaust isnt happening now". its a really fucking dumb thing to say.

True, but that's not the point. The point is that political leaders cant occupy themselves with every fringe group or movement out there, their attention has to mostly go toward the large-scale problems.



If you add up all the Neo-Nazi rallies of the last 4 years, both the number of events and the number of participants will not even come close to the number of riots and rioters we have seen in the wake of BLM protests over the last 3 months. Similarly, the number of people who died during these recent protests by far exceeds the number of people murdered by white supremacist or cops over the entirety of Trump's presidency. Additionally, deadly attacks by white supremacist attacks as well as neo-nazi rallies are absolutely slammed by the media and all of mainstream politics, while large parts of the media and American institutions are supporting the current movement despite the violence that's coming out of their events.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 31 2020 09:31am

Antifa is part of the left and they are a much greater threat than any alleged facists/nazis. What violence have the nazis inflicted in the past 10 years that can compare to the arson, looting, rape and murder over the last few months?

Antifa = terrorist organization. Bout time to send all of them to Guantanamo Bay.

1. Was thinking about this AM.. Biden should reach out to a few cities and start a cease and desist plan with like 4 cities. Make trump look like an idiot if he could do it.
2. Nope their were not any stupid comments live.. but social media is FULL of Rittenhouse is hero etc. glad the people died all over the place full off all sorts of random soccer mom hatred..
3. Don't be mistaken the trump parade was looking to pick a fight, unfortunately they got one, and I've said this before there is going some CRAZY scene before it gets better in my mind. (and they do look a lot like ISIS armed with flags flying in the back of the truck caravan)