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Sep 8 2020 09:05am
Womans suffrogates burned buildings down too.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ 8 Sep 2020 14:40)
The Right: We need our rights to fight against an oppressive government
Also The Right: What? Nobody told me blacks were allowed to rise up. Wait, who said rising up would cause property damage?!?!?


The problem isnt the rising up, the problem is the violence. The Right wants neither the government nor rioters to break the law or to infringe on basic rights, which is in fact a very consistent position. (And yes, this has to also extend to police brutality, something the right should be more vocal about...)

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 8 2020 11:44am)
The problem isnt the rising up, the problem is the violence. The Right wants neither the government nor rioters to break the law or to infringe on basic rights, which is in fact a very consistent position. (And yes, this has to also extend to police brutality, something the right should be more vocal about...)


Limiting protests to being within the law is a great way to get nothing done. When the enforcers of the law can break the law without reprecussion the laws cease to have meaning.

Theres also never been an uprising that fit in the bounds of the law. The laws are the things you rise up against after all.

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Limiting protests to being within the law is a great way to get nothing done. When the enforcers of the law can break the law without reprecussion the laws cease to have meaning.

Theres also never been an uprising that fit in the bounds of the law. The laws are the things you rise up against after all.


I thought the problem was how the police abuse the law, or break it with impunity?! :lol:

Either way, we can agree to disagree on the efficacy of peaceful protest - but what we should be able to agree on is that looting and arson are not acceptable forms of protest. Technically breaking the law via civil disobedience is in a different ballpark than violence and pointless destruction.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 8 Sep 2020 18:44)
The problem isnt the rising up, the problem is the violence. The Right wants neither the government nor rioters to break the law or to infringe on basic rights, which is in fact a very consistent position. (And yes, this has to also extend to police brutality, something the right should be more vocal about...)


there is just a tiny problem with that rationalisation of yours: you have to pretend that people like the right wingers in this forum (goon-shill, void, bi-ghot, endlesscry...), who directly support (or downplay / refuse to acknowledge) transgressions by the police, the systemic violations of individual rights and freedoms, simply don't exist.

for your spin to 'work', you have to misrepresent 'support' as 'maybe not quite vocal enough opposition', which makes absolutely no sense for anyone living in the real world, lol.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 8 2020 09:44am)
The problem isnt the rising up, the problem is the violence. The Right wants neither the government nor rioters to break the law or to infringe on basic rights, which is in fact a very consistent position. (And yes, this has to also extend to police brutality, something the right should be more vocal about...)


large % of this same belief system violently rioted and burned business, overturned cars, looted town etc. when they were asked to integrate black people into white schools.
And a SUBSTANTIALLY larger amount of actual violent attacks. The history of the US is not rooted in big change happens by talking with politicians.
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Sep 8 2020 11:29am
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large % of this same belief system violently rioted and burned business, overturned cars, looted town etc. when they were asked to integrate black people into white schools.
And a SUBSTANTIALLY larger amount of actual violent attacks. The history of the US is not rooted in big change happens by talking with politicians.


So you refuse to give credibility to present-day conservatives because some other conservatives were assholes 60-70 years ago?
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Sep 8 2020 11:40am
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So you refuse to give credibility to present-day conservatives because some other conservatives were assholes 60-70 years ago?



it was senator robert byrd (D) who filibustered the civil rights act of 1964 and was also in the kkk

Eisenhower sent in federal forces to ensure the legal integration of schools was not stopped by (D)s like duhcrossbones’ ancestors. later on JFK had to the same to george wallace (D) another vile lefty who tried to stand in schoolhouse doors to block black children from getting an education
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Sep 8 2020 11:41am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 8 2020 12:29pm)
So you refuse to give credibility to present-day conservatives because some other conservatives were assholes 60-70 years ago?


Modern conservatives barely acknowledge the history and where they do acknowledge it they pretend it has no impact on the present.
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Sep 8 2020 11:46am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 8 Sep 2020 19:41)
Modern conservatives barely acknowledge the history and where they do acknowledge it they pretend it has no impact on the present.


You're lumping together uneducated rednecks and racists with "legit" conservatives. :rolleyes:
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