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May 9 2020 05:41pm
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In the case of Michael Brown there was corroborated evidence that Wilson was acting in self defence. The officer was approaching Brown, who had just committed a robbery.

Conflating a case like that with this case where there was no such crime committed just shows what a hack you are.


In this case there was corroborated evidence that Travis McMichael was acting in self defense. He was approaching Arbery, who had just committed a burglary.
If you were seeking to find a difference, you could have chosen a better example from the list.

We have video and forensic evidence which together shows that the first shot was fired after Arbery already had a hand on the barrel of the gun, while Arbery was moving forward and punching McMichael, who was falling backwards. The further shots are seen on video fired in the struggle with both grappling for control of the gun. There is no question about who initiated the immediate fight, that was Arbery who decided to charge him. There's no question of whether carrying and brandishing the guns was legal or not, because they were legal gunowners and Georgia has no brandishing law. So that leaves us with the very narrow question of whether their actions in pursuing him were either authorized under Georgia's citizen's arrest law, or whether they constituted the serious criminal liability required to preclude a claim of self-defense. And now we've got video evidence of Arbery committing a burglary right in front of them.
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In the case of Michael Brown there was corroborated evidence that Wilson was acting in self defence. The officer was approaching Brown, who had just committed a robbery.

Conflating a case like that with this case where there was no such crime committed just shows what a hack you are.


Trespassing is a crime, and it's corroborated by video evidence. Like i said he didn't deserve to die for it but we can't ignore it just because the punishment far exceeds the crime.
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^And there's the video trimmed down to the relevant part

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Trespassing is a crime, and it's corroborated by video evidence. Like i said he didn't deserve to die for it but we can't ignore it just because the punishment far exceeds the crime.


Self-defense isn't a punishment, its not a question of what anyone deserves, it a question of what is necessary.

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 9 2020 05:43pm
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May 9 2020 05:58pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 10 2020 12:41am)
In this case there was corroborated evidence that Travis McMichael was acting in self defense. He was approaching Arbery, who had just committed a burglary.
If you were seeking to find a difference, you could have chosen a better example from the list.

We have video and forensic evidence which together shows that the first shot was fired after Arbery already had a hand on the barrel of the gun, while Arbery was moving forward and punching McMichael, who was falling backwards. The further shots are seen on video fired in the struggle with both grappling for control of the gun. There is no question about who initiated the immediate fight, that was Arbery who decided to charge him. There's no question of whether carrying and brandishing the guns was legal or not, because they were legal gunowners and Georgia has no brandishing law. So that leaves us with the very narrow question of whether their actions in pursuing him were either authorized under Georgia's citizen's arrest law, or whether they constituted the serious criminal liability required to preclude a claim of self-defense. And now we've got video evidence of Arbery committing a burglary right in front of them.


There's no evidence he committed a burglary, only that he walked into an open construction site.
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May 9 2020 06:01pm
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There's no evidence he committed a burglary, only that he walked into an open construction site.


Being seen trespassing into a home, searching for an unlocked entrance and then emerging out the front door at full sprint 5 minutes later is obviously reasonable grounds for suspicion of burglary.
You just called me a hack and here you are pretending that witnessing someone break into a house and rummage around it for 5 minutes and then sprint away is somehow "no evidence he committed a burglary"

Well shit, there's no evidence the McMichaels were involved with the Arbery shooting at all.
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May 9 2020 06:05pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 10 2020 09:42am)
https://files.catbox.moe/7ula5z.webm

^And there's the video trimmed down to the relevant part



Self-defense isn't a punishment, its not a question of what anyone deserves, it a question of what is necessary.


Appears to be comes up a lot.
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May 9 2020 06:06pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 10 May 2020 01:29)
There's nothing absolutely mindblowing about these threads, we've already had the same song and dance routine play out for Trayvon, Michael Brown, Jamar Clark, Stephon Clark, etc etc
At this point we're all basically just reading the same script we've been through a half a hundred times.


just because it's normal to racists like yourself to try and justify every murder of a black person, doesn't mean that mentally healthy people, with a conscience and a sense of justice, get used to it. i'm not ashamed to admit that it's still shocking and disgusting to me.

that said, your characterisation of this as a "script" just reveals that you don't even TRY to judge this case based on its merits, and rather treat it like any other "black guy gets killed, bigoted scum explains how they deserved it" routine. i mean, you took that murdering scum's side before your latest rationalisation, that the victim trespassed on someone's property before, was available. anything to smear the dead black man, that's your script.
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May 9 2020 06:10pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ May 9 2020 07:05pm)
Appears to be comes up a lot.


could be Arbery's identical evil twin brother who dressed the same as him and framed him. Resolution isn't high enough to see if he has a goatee
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May 9 2020 06:10pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 10 2020 01:01am)
Being seen trespassing into a home, searching for an unlocked entrance and then emerging out the front door at full sprint 5 minutes later is obviously reasonable grounds for suspicion of burglary.
You just called me a hack and here you are pretending that witnessing someone break into a house and rummage around it for 5 minutes and then sprint away is somehow "no evidence he committed a burglary"

Well shit, there's no evidence the McMichaels were involved with the Arbery shooting at all.


If that video is Arbery then I recant my earlier posts and apologise. I hadn't seen that video.
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May 9 2020 06:12pm
Quote (dro94 @ May 9 2020 07:10pm)
If that video is Arbery then I recant my earlier posts and apologise. I hadn't seen that video.


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