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Mar 4 2020 10:14am
So, Bloomberg is out. Which means that he spent $500m+ of his fortune to win... American Samoa and nothing else. :rofl: :rofl:

But hey, at least he will receive around 100 pledged delegates, so his $5m per delegate are still superior to JEB!'s $25m per delegate. :lol:

Gotta say though, he was really unlucky with barely missing the delegate threshold in both Texas and California. Had he gotten 0.8% more, he'd be walking home with twice as many delegates.



Anyway, now the race is really down to the two candidates most emblematic of their "wing" of the party, the two candidates who were leading in national polls throughout almost the entire race.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 4 2020 10:14am
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Mar 4 2020 10:16am
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So, Bloomberg is out. Which means that he spent $500m+ of his fortune to win... American Samoa and nothing else. :rofl: :rofl:

While hilarious, he’s so wealthy that all he needs is his portfolio to go up 1% to make all that money back, haha
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Mar 4 2020 10:18am
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i dont know how many times i can illustrate the same point for you. bernie will get nothing done, biden will hold the obama era status quo and get a few things done. as someone who supports many progressive ideas in the long term but is also afraid of the consequences of rapid change Biden is preferable to Bernie, even if Bernie can't literally get anything done. im not having anything both ways, i cant be more clear than im already being so this is your last shot to just get it man.


'gets nothing done' is simply logically incompatible with 'rapid change'.
'i support biden over bernie' is simply incompatible with 'i support progressive ideas'.

this stuff is pretty obvious, you're just refusing to acknowledge it, and twisting yourself into pretzels failing to 'explain' how this totally makes sense. supporting someone who is owned by those who vehemently oppose any progressive ideas is as unambiguous of a sign as it gets. and again, that is totally fine - just don't pretend like you actually cared about those issues, that's really all i'm saying.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 4 Mar 2020 17:14)
So, Bloomberg is out. Which means that he spent $500m+ of his fortune to win... American Samoa and nothing else. :rofl: :rofl:

But hey, at least he will receive around 100 pledged delegates, so his $5m per delegate are still superior to JEB!'s $25m per delegate. :lol:

Gotta say though, he was really unlucky with barely missing the delegate threshold in both Texas and California. Had he gotten 0.8% more, he'd be walking home with twice as many delegates.



Anyway, now the race is really down to the two candidates most emblematic of their "wing" of the party, the two candidates who were leading in national polls throughout almost the entire race.


warren is still in, siphoning progressive votes.
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Mar 4 2020 10:21am
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While hilarious, he’s so wealthy that all he needs is his portfolio to go up 1% to make all that money back, haha


I'm in fact glad that Bloomberg's campaign turned out the way it did. It proves that American elections at least cant be bought outright. Money still makes far too much of a difference in American politics, but Bloomberg's failed run and also Hillary's defeat in 2016 despite outspending Trump two to one - it proves that you still need a halfway decent candidate to make all the money count.

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warren is still in, siphoning progressive votes.


True, she should drop out too. She's most definitely hurting Bernie more than Biden, but it's not like you can just add her entire vote share to Bernie's if she drops out.

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'gets nothing done' is simply logically incompatible with 'rapid change'.
'i support biden over bernie' is simply incompatible with 'i support progressive ideas'.

this stuff is pretty obvious, you're just refusing to acknowledge it, and twisting yourself into pretzels failing to 'explain' how this totally makes sense. supporting someone who is owned by those who vehemently oppose any progressive ideas is as unambiguous of a sign as it gets. and again, that is totally fine - just don't pretend like you actually cared about those issues, that's really all i'm saying.


Oh now i understand your issue. Bernie signals rapid change, and him winning would be alarming to corporations and special interests which would cause a reaction. and what little he can get done via executive orders would be bad. My point is Bernie winning is bad for people even if he can't get anything through the legislature, its two separate problems i have with Bernie. i thought as ive expressed both of these issues separately to you a dozen times or so you'd get it.

but sure keep telling me what i care about based on your horrid interpretations of jokes that you know werent even meant for you.
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I'm in fact glad that Bloomberg's campaign turned out the way it did. It proves that American elections at least cant be bought outright. Money still makes far too much of a difference in American politics, but Bloomberg's failed run and also Hillary's defeat in 2016 despite outspending Trump two to one - it proves that you still need a halfway decent candidate to make all the money count.


i'm pretty sure it has proven the opposite. his numbers are staggeringly high for someone with his record and profile, for someone who only had two debates, got obliterated in one, and was on the ballot for only a fraction of the time.

imagine a less political time, where the stakes aren't that high, and you don't have the arguably worst president in history in office - imagine a time where there's not a major political rift in the democratic party. bloomberg could have easily bought himself the candidacy by spending a billion dollars.

not in 2020, and i've said that from the beginning, questioning what he's trying to accomplish with his campaign, but as a proof of concept i would say it was a pretty successful test run...
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Mar 4 2020 10:33am
Quote (thesnipa @ 4 Mar 2020 17:27)
Oh now i understand your issue. Bernie signals rapid change, and him winning would be alarming to corporations and special interests which would cause a reaction. and what little he can get done via executive orders would be bad. My point is Bernie winning is bad for people even if he can't get anything through the legislature, its two separate problems i have with Bernie. i thought as ive expressed both of these issues separately to you a dozen times or so you'd get it.

but sure keep telling me what i care about based on your horrid interpretations of jokes that you know werent even meant for you.


elaborate.
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Mar 4 2020 10:41am
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elaborate.


ive written 5 page essays in PARD too many times about how the progressive agenda speeds up automation and cyclical job loss. i'd rather write you a guide on how to understand my rather basic perspective so that i can avoid doing this over and over and over.

should i sit and do it again, just so i can try to convince you i have a coherent stance based on data i have and work with every day in a field you dont even understand? for what? i'd rather share memes ghot style all day in the other thread or have a conversation with literally anyone but you or ghot where finding common ground and having a fruitful discussion is possible.

im now backing biden, primary, general, all the way. ive said why i support incremental change towards progressive goals hundreds of times from my automation perspective. if you didnt get it the first 100 times then i cant help you. something literally everyone in pard but you already knows.

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I'm in fact glad that Bloomberg's campaign turned out the way it did. It proves that American elections at least cant be bought outright. Money still makes far too much of a difference in American politics, but Bloomberg's failed run and also Hillary's defeat in 2016 despite outspending Trump two to one - it proves that you still need a halfway decent candidate to make all the money count.



True, she should drop out too. She's most definitely hurting Bernie more than Biden, but it's not like you can just add her entire vote share to Bernie's if she drops out.


Good point. I am glad about this, too.

On your second point, if I recall correctly, Warren supporters' second choice were pretty near evenly split among Biden and Sanders based on one poll I saw.

Additionally, I also think that despite being more politically similar to Sanders, Warren would likely endorse Biden over Sanders. I think she's better friends with Biden, would be pressured by the DNC to do so, and beefed with Sanders pretty publicly and notably.

Thus, I think Warren sticking around longer than she should doesn't hurt Sanders as much as many might think.
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