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Dec 18 2019 08:39pm
Quote (AspenSniper @ Dec 18 2019 09:16pm)
Here's my take:

- Did Trump do something wrong by threatening to withhold military aid to Ukraine unless they agreed to investigate Hunter Biden? 51% of my says yes Trump did that and yes that's wrong.
- Is it also pretty fucking bizarre that Hunter Biden is in the job he is in over in Ukraine and could he have been using that to leverage Joe Biden in 2020? Absolutely.
- If Trump's son was in Hunter Biden's position and Obama did what Trump did, would democrats have any issue with Obama doing that? Nope.

So that's my most independent thought. So in my view, yes Trump did something bad. Do I think it's impeachable? No, I just do not think it is that bad.

For anyone here who isn't aware, being impeached by the house literally means nothing. The senate won't get to 50% let alone the 67% necessary.

bold literally never happened

edit: if it did. trump would be charged with bribery right now.

edit 2:
https://www.scribd.com/document/427409665/Ukraine-Call-Transcript#from_embed
it's 5 pages to read. biden is mentioned at the end, but not in the way the media portrays it. it's worth reading the full thing. this is the "only" time biden is "ever" mentioned.

testimony in intelligence house committee from witnesses on call, found this transcript to be "extremely accurate". (because no exact is given, it's a collection of notes from multiple people)

edit 3: the only person that was brought as a witness with "direct conversation" with Trump was Sondland. he said this when they spoke..


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#132
Dec 18 2019 08:46pm
I'm not Orange, I'mPeach!

Quote (RiCCAY @ Dec 18 2019 06:30pm)
Why did dems set themselves up to lose.... ... again?


It's a shit party that's why. Watch how this hurts them in the election, it's going to be baaaadddd
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Dec 18 2019 08:49pm


Kinda makes ya wonder wtf they were debating all day today. :/
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Dec 18 2019 08:49pm
Quote (Ghot @ Dec 18 2019 06:49pm)
Kinda makes ya wonder wtf they were debating all day today. :/


or for the past several months / years for that matter.....
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#135
Dec 18 2019 08:53pm
Quote (proccy @ Dec 18 2019 09:49pm)
or for the past several months / years for that matter.....



Probably felt they had to make it "look" good. :)



/e Kinda makes ya realize that the Dems think the American public is pretty stupid.

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#136
Dec 18 2019 08:55pm
I love Donald Trump
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#137
Dec 18 2019 09:04pm
Cant wait to see the dems faces when trump gets reelected
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#138
Dec 18 2019 09:12pm
Quote (thundercock @ 19 Dec 2019 03:35)
You're right. They took substantial risk for what they thought was right. Can't say the same about the GOP now, can we?


Asymmetrical situation since there simply exist almost no more Republican congressmen from blue districts after 2018.


Quote (Sioux @ 19 Dec 2019 03:37)
A no vote in the house or senate will be as politically toxic in 2024 as the Iraq war vote was in 2008. Put it on your calendars.


Bullshit. Even if Trump and Trumpism become toxic after he leaves office, the stance on this Ukraine nonsense definitely is not the pivotal moment for it.
Not voting to impeach a sitting president over such a mundane abuse of power wont sink their stock in the history books.

Also keep in mind that if he gets a 2nd term, it will mean that he won reelection in 2020 - so it was the American voter who gave him another term even after all the info from the impeachment hearings were out and after everyone had seen for four years how a Trump presidency plays out. In this scenario, the American public didnt abandon him, so why should it be disqualifying for Republicans to have followed suit?

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#139
Dec 18 2019 09:14pm



Too bad Trump doesn't wear a mohair suit....











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Dec 18 2019 09:20pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 18 2019 07:12pm)
Bullshit. Even if Trump and Trumpism become toxic after he leaves office, the stance on this Ukraine nonsense definitely is not the pivotal moment for it.
Not voting to impeach a sitting president over such a mundane abuse of power wont sink their stock in the history books.

Also keep in mind that if he gets a 2nd term, it will mean that he won reelection in 2020 - so it was the American voter who gave him another term even after all the info from the impeachment hearings were out and after everyone had seen for four years how a Trump presidency plays out. In this scenario, the American public didnt abandon him, so why should it be disqualifying for Republicans to have followed suit?


Cool, check back in 5 years. There's nothing better than vintage milk.
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