I've challenged you several times to show me 1) where the Constitution requires state and local governments to utilize their resources to assist federal agents who have already been paid by the California annual federal tax contribution 2) where in the Constitution the federal government has the enumerated power over all immigration (criminals, immigrants whose native country is at war with the United States, and those "likely to become a public charge" not withstanding as those are actually enumerated federal powers in the Constitution) and you've been Gish Galloping around not answering.

No, you made the claim. You used distorted data that uses AGI rather than total gross in an attempt to propagandize the issue in favor of the super rich.



That's, again, based on AGI.

1) Illegals really aren't taking jobs from citizens. The jobs they are taking are mostly shitty and unwanted, underpaid thankless positions. If you're out of work because of illegal immigrants who likely can't speak English very well and don't have any educational history, go finish high school?

2) The constitution is not an infallible document writ in stone. It's a document that has changed before and will change again, and it has had some stuff in there that I think you'd be hard pressed to support. So an argument of "it's right because my paper says so" is a pretty flimsy argument. Should it be illegal to immigrate to this country? I'd agree, if the legal immigration process were reasonable. But it's not.

3) A president's constitutional action is not the end of the discussion. Far from it. Often times, that's the beginning of the discussion. You're way too willing to blindly subject yourself to authority...America is a nation of protesters and terrorists. Don't be so afraid to speak out every now and again for what is right morally as opposed to what is right legally.

For the 3rd or 4th time. Your claim that the Fed is forcing Cali to "do extra work" is a fantasy.
A Cali police dept. answering yes or no, when asked by ICE if they have any illegal aliens in stock, is hardly extra work.
In fact, Cali IS doing more work by hiding these people.
They've even gone as far as wasting Cali taxpayers money by taking this to court when they KNOW they can't win.


/e @ Bard. say what?

California is breaking the law. They want to take w/e parts of the US Constitution suit them and ignore the rest.
Well guess what, the rest of the country that obeys the law, thinks California should as well.

This post was edited by Ghot on Mar 9 2018 05:02pm

You claimed that the rich aren’t paying their fair share and I provided data from the IRS that shows otherwise. You dispute these graphs without providing any further information other than ‘that’s not the real data’.

Provide the information you used to make the initial claim.

If it takes so much as a millisecond for the state or local authorities to answer a phone call, process paperwork, and detail intelligence with the federal government, then it is in fact doing un-required extra work.

That's also a false assertion that "the state of Cali is hiding them" - are they in a tunnel somewhere being guarded by the California state militia? The state isn't hiding anyone, they're just expressing their Constitutional right not to work with the feds.

You provided data that shows us what people's gross incomes are adjusted for itemized deductions, loopholes, offshoring, investments, etc. as a response to me saying, and I quote:



This post was edited by inkanddagger on Mar 9 2018 05:15pm

The Mayor of Oakland Califonia notified the whole town that ICE was going to be in the area. How many times do I need to tell you this. I even linked the article.
"Sanctuary city" by definition is "hiding" illegals form the FED.

Why do you persist in this BS? I've answered this already, multiple times.

Do you believe in federalism?

Or, since you have no fucking clue what that word means, do you believe in a system of shared powers where "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," or do you believe it's time that we had a strong central government with no delineation between state and federal authority?

Here, once again...


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-justice-immigration/sessions-blasts-california-after-filing-u-s-immigration-suit-idUSKCN1GJ2IF





What the mayor did was, absolutely illegal.
While you're here, might as well read the rest of the article, and the one in the OP.