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Jun 12 2016 02:48pm
Last night, our nation was attacked by a radical Islamic terrorist. It was the worst terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11, and the second of its kind in 6 months. My deepest sympathy and support goes out to the victims, the wounded, and their families.

In his remarks today, President Obama disgracefully refused to even say the words 'Radical Islam'. For that reason alone, he should step down. If Hillary Clinton, after this attack, still cannot say the two words 'Radical Islam' she should get out of this race for the Presidency.

If we do not get tough and smart real fast, we are not going to have a country anymore. Because our leaders are weak, I said this was going to happen – and it is only going to get worse. I am trying to save lives and prevent the next terrorist attack. We can't afford to be politically correct anymore.

The terrorist, Omar Mir Saddique Mateen, is the son of an immigrant from Afghanistan who openly published his support for the Afghanistani Taliban and even tried to run for President of Afghanistan. According to Pew, 99% of people in Afghanistan support oppressive Sharia Law.

We admit more than 100,000 lifetime migrants from the Middle East each year. Since 9/11, hundreds of migrants and their children have been implicated in terrorism in the United States.


Hillary Clinton wants to dramatically increase admissions from the Middle East, bringing in many hundreds of thousands during a first term – and we will have no way to screen them, pay for them, or prevent the second generation from radicalizing.

We need to protect all Americans, of all backgrounds and all beliefs, from Radical Islamic Terrorism - which has no place in an open and tolerant society. Radical Islam advocates hate for women, gays, Jews, Christians and all Americans. I am going to be a President for all Americans, and I am going to protect and defend all Americans. We are going to make America safe again and great again for everyone.


- Donald J. Trump



Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 12 2016 09:36pm)
Gonna' have to disagree here and say that the concerns about the "radicalization of Islam" as it applies to mass shootings is entirely myopic and smacks of low-key Islamophobia.

The majority of mass shootings have zero connection to Islam, let alone ISIS. I mean, to say that "there is a problem" here would mean that we would be in need of a solution. What would the potential solutions be here that address, as your concerns have laid out, radical Islam?


50 people dead, worst terrorist attack since 9/11, and you're going to throw Buzzwords like that around? FYI, phobia normally means irrational fear. There is no such thing as Islamophobia, because, given history, people have many rational reasons to fear Islam.

Ban all people from Islamic countries from entering the US, with some exceptions, until we figure out what's going on.

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Quote (Handcuffs @ 12 Jun 2016 15:36)
Gonna' have to disagree here and say that the concerns about the "radicalization of Islam" as it applies to mass shootings is entirely myopic and smacks of low-key Islamophobia.

The majority of mass shootings have zero connection to Islam, let alone ISIS. I mean, to say that "there is a problem" here would mean that we would be in need of a solution. What would the potential solutions be here that address, as your concerns have laid out, radical Islam?


I have no idea. I've got a lot of problems with Islam, outside of violence and Jihadism, which most Americans tend to focus on. In my opinion, it's backwards and its religious doctrine promotes many backwards ways of thinking.

The way many Muslim countries treat their women is no surprise when you look at the Quran. Certainly there are other cultural and economic factors at play but a prominent Muslim ethics council just said "light beating" of women amd wives is okay.

Do you think its a coincidence this shooting happened at a gay bar? Islam strongly condemns homosexuality. Many women in their theocratic countries can't go to school or even drive. It's a badckwards culture that religion plays a big role in promoting. How is it Islamaphobic to point that out?

When we hear of a building being bombed up or a plane being blown up, is anyone surprised when we hear it is a radical Muslim extremist behind it? Certainly there is some confirmation bias going on there but I also think it speaks to the prominence of the issue.

In my opinion, the mass shooting issue is almost a seperate issue entirely. The two have been related in a couple of recent cases, and I think you blending them together helps detract from the issues facing Islam. Most of the issues are ones that we don't even see often in the US and are much more common in the world abroad.

I'm going to be honest and say I'm not sure what the solution is. It's probably a complicated one seeing as this is a complicated issue. I'm not going to lie and say I have the answer. How do you do stop extreme Muslim followers from interpreting violent and Jihadist (or sexist or anti-homosexual) segments of the Quran? The vast majority of Muslims condemn such violence and terrorism very strongly, but it's still all there in the scripture.

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Jun 12 2016 02:58pm
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since when did churchgirl become a massive critic of islam? she was very liberal posting on here just a few months ago
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since when did churchgirl become a massive critic of islam? she was very liberal posting on here just a few months ago


since she found out how to make money on youtube

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Quote (ThatAlex @ Jun 12 2016 08:49pm)
I have no idea. I've got a lot of problems with Islam, outside of violence and Jihadism, which most tend to focus on. In my opinion, it's backwards and its religious doctrine promotes many backwards ways of thinking.

The way many Muslim countries treat their women is no surprise when you look at the Quran. Certainly there are other cultural and economic factors at play but a prominent Muslim ethics council just said "light beating" of women amd wives is okay.

Do you think its a coincidence this shooting happened at a gay bar? Islam strongly condemns homosexuality. Many women in their theocratic countries can't go to school or even drive. It's a badckwards culture that religion plays a big role in promoting. How is it Islamaphobic to point that out?

When we hear of a building being bombed up or a plane being blown up, is anyone surprised when we hear it is a radical Muslim extremist behind it?

In my opinion, the mass shooting issue is almost a seperate issue entirely. The two have been related in a couple of recent cases, and I think you blending them together helps detract from the issues facing Islam. Most of the issues are ones that we don't even see often in the US and are much more common in the world abroad.

I'm going to be honest and say I'm not sure what the solution is. It's probably a complicated one seeing as this is a complicated issue. I'm not going to lie and say I have the answer. How do you do stop extreme Muslim followers from interpreting violent and Jihadist segments of the Quran? The vast majority of Muslims condemn such violence and terrorism very strongly, but it's still there in the scripture.


There is a vast difference between having personal disdain for a religion or ideology v. utilizing mass shooting tragedies to try and further that personal narrative.

If you take issue with your perceived and understood proliferation and indifference to violence and misogyny within Islam, then that's fine. That is, however, altogether removed from the mass shooting problem that the United States has.
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Quote (dro94 @ Jun 12 2016 08:58pm)
since when did churchgirl become a massive critic of islam? she was very liberal posting on here just a few months ago


Being a whiny tranny on the youtubes makes money i guess *shrug*.
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since she found out how to make money on youtube


i have the decency to be subtle about it
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i have the decency to be subtle about it


I'm a terrible person
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Jun 12 2016 03:07pm
Quote (dro94 @ Jun 12 2016 02:58pm)
since when did churchgirl become a massive critic of islam? she was very liberal posting on here just a few months ago



The logical view on Islam from a liberal perspective is to be opposed/ very critical.
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Jun 12 2016 03:14pm
Quote (remco6 @ Jun 12 2016 10:07pm)
The logical view on Islam from a liberal perspective is to be opposed/ very critical.


I agree in some respects but I was more highlighting the contrast in her opinions on jsp and those on her youtube videos - not the nature or specifics of those opinions
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