Quote (poulgaragr @ Jun 23 2012 04:43am)

Stick to the topic, and NO the Qur'an NEVER says that the earth is flat, you LIAR!!!

Quote (Ricelol @ Jun 23 2012 06:13am)

The Qu'ran is perfect because it says so itself.

I see nothing wrong with this.  I am now a Muslim.

Quote (xXAn0nym0usXx @ Jun 23 2012 05:51pm)

21:31-32 And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should quake with them, and We have made therein broad highways between mountains for them to pass through. And we have made the sky a roof withheld from them.  13:2 Allah raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He is firmly established on the throne; and has subjected the sun and the moon each one to run its course for a term appointed. 18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People.



I know right? Circular logic is the best...

Quote (simpleforce @ Jun 23 2012 01:56pm)

I don't get it, where does it say its flat? DId you copy the wrong verse? You just did prove another scientific miracle of the Quran though, which is the role of the mountains.


Also Quran is not perfect because it says it is. Its because it is perfect.

Quote (Ricelol @ Jun 23 2012 03:13am)

The Qu'ran is perfect because it says so itself.

I see nothing wrong with this.  I am now a Muslim.

Quote (bentherdonethat @ Jun 23 2012 06:20pm)

That verse also says that the sky is a roof that is withheld from us. Guess what? We've been to outer space. We've passed through that roof. The Qur'an can't keep the sky from humanity.

Quote (simpleforce @ Jun 23 2012 01:52pm)

This is why the Quran needs to be read in Arabic. So it doesn't turn into another Christianity.

First of all if it did say roof, it is simply what is called "religious symbolism".

And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways (between mountains) for them to pass through: that they may receive Guidance.
  WajaAAalna fee al-ardi rawasiyaan tameeda bihim wajaAAalna feeha fijajansubulan laAAallahum yahtadoona
 
And We have made the heavens as a canopy well guarded: yet do they turn away from the Signs which these things (point to)!
  WajaAAalna alssamaasaqfan mahfoothan wahum AAan ayatihamuAAridoona



It is describing some kind of protection. As we know today, 1400 years later, the heavens protect us from multiple types of solar events. We (Muslims) always win. Its not worth arguing science with the Quran, you won't succeed.

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Jun 23 2012 09:09pm)

Oh.  So Muslims are allowed to interpret their scripture figuratively, but with Christianity every passage must be read literally.  I see.

Quote (simpleforce @ Jun 23 2012 02:10pm)

No we are allowed to say, "read it in Arabic" so you don't become confused.

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Jun 23 2012 09:18pm)

Oh.  Should I say "study the Bible" and then you won't be confused?

Quote (poulgaragr @ Jun 22 2012 05:16am)

Once again, WHERE is THIS taken OUT OF CONTEXT???

*Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. 16 He that believes and is baptised shall be saved; but he that disbelieves shall be condemned. 17 Believers will be given the power to perform miracles; in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents; and when they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Now, here is an interesting piece of information:

In the most ancient manuscripts, Mark 16 ends at verse 8! 9-20 is missing. These last 11 verses were added in the 10th century, because the Gospel according to Mark, which was the first Gospel ever written (and then again 65 years after Jesus, when all the disciples were already dead), doesn't mention the resurrection, nor does it mention the ascension of Jesus Christ.

Thus, apart from the last 2 points, we have a dilemma here:

1-Admit that the Bible has been altered, thus corrupted.
2-Take the poison test to prove you are a true Christian believer.
3-Refuse to take the poison test, thus proving you are not a true Christian Believer!

And believe me, there is NO EXCUSE out of this! In my experience, I have encountered lots of missionaries and regular Christians who try (in vain) and make up excuses like: “You are tempting God”, or “These miracles were only meant for the disciples”, or “the disciples already performed these miracles, and so did Paul when he was bitten by a snake”...

However, ALL OF THESE EXCUSES are already refuted by Jesus who CLEARLY SAYS: “believers” (all those who are baptised etc.) will be able to perform these miracles”, thus, there is truly NO WAY OUT OF THIS!

Case Closed.

PS I will keep hammering you with this until you admit that you are wrong and your fake religion is just that: FAKE!!!