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May 21 2010 11:37pm
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I am not very educated on this subject as I stated in post 1.


Clearly.
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May 21 2010 11:50pm
I am reading and hearing what you all are typing alot more than you think. I realize you do not accept my logic that I don't have to believe it until it is 100% proven. it is not your choice to make though. the perspective and thoughts you perceive as logic, is opinion.
The same way you do not understand why I cannot say; yes I believe in every aspect that evolution created homo sapiens. My parents think of me when I say I don't believe in creationism. there is over-whelming proof that can link us to early forms of homo's, does this mean my grandpa of a billion years ago could have been a squirrel? maybe so, but 99.99% is not 100%. there may never be a 100% or never be another theory to argue the point of evolution. what does it matter though? I am enjoying discussing all of this, the only people I directly effect are the people taking the time to respond to me. I did not make you respond by force, it was of your own time. my logic will not effect your life unless you let it. so it makes no difference how my thought process works. you may find the idea that not believing in something that has so much evidence but just not enough to link it all together solidly, ignorant. fine. I only am saying you cannot tell me another theory may come into existence. you also cannot tell me that one day someone with some other tool or understanding may be able to prove evolution. but i find this do-able. there may be an x/xxxxxxxxxxxx chance of it, but there is still an x/xxxxxxxx chance of it. I am not completely saying I don't believe in evolution in the meaning of we came from pond scum. I am saying I have the right to question it until someone removes theory from the theory of evolution, I can debate any answer given to me in the form of: this is how it is, believe it cause it's so super close that no one can debate it. you are wrong, I can debate it cause there is still that x/xxxx chance of ANYTHING, SOMETHING. proving evolution, or proving against it. there is an x/xxxxx chance it's just insanely super close, but it was all wrong and the creationists were right.(even without proof) I am way more inclined to believe in evolution because of the facts given to me, this does not mean I have to settle with it just cause you think I should.
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May 21 2010 11:57pm
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I am reading and hearing what you all are typing alot more than you think.  I realize you do not accept my logic that I don't have to believe it until it is 100% proven.  it is not your choice to make though.  the perspective and thoughts you perceive as logic, is opinion.


You're not using logic. You're using an argument from ignorance, which is the opposite of logic. It's actually a logical fallacy.

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The same way you do not understand why I cannot say; yes I believe in every aspect that evolution created homo sapiens.  My parents think of me when I say I don't believe in creationism.  there is over-whelming proof that can link us to early forms of homo's, does this mean my grandpa of a billion years ago could have been a squirrel?  maybe so, but 99.99% is not 100%.


Evolution doesn't predict that your ancestors were squirrels, only that you and a squirrel share a common genetic ancestor however many million years ago.

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there may never be a 100% or never be another theory to argue the point of evolution.  what does it matter though?  I am enjoying discussing all of this, the only people I directly effect are the people taking the time to respond to me.  I did not make you respond by force, it was of your own time.  my logic will not effect your life unless you let it.  so it makes no difference how my thought process works.  you may find the idea that not believing in something that has so much evidence but just not enough to link it all together solidly, ignorant.  fine.  I only am saying you cannot tell me another theory may come into existence.  you also cannot tell me that one day someone with some other tool or understanding may be able to prove evolution.  but i find this do-able.  there may be an x/xxxxxxxxxxxx chance of it, but there is still an x/xxxxxxxx chance of it.  I am not completely saying I don't believe in evolution in the meaning of we came from pond scum.  I am saying I have the right to question it until someone removes theory from the theory of evolution, I can debate any answer given to me in the form of: this is how it is, believe it cause it's so super close that no one can debate it.  you are wrong, I can debate it cause there is still that x/xxxx chance of ANYTHING, SOMETHING.  proving evolution, or proving against it.  there is an x/xxxxx chance it's just insanely super close, but it was all wrong and the creationists were right.(even without proof)  I am way more inclined to believe in evolution because of the facts given to me, this does not mean I have to settle with it just cause you think I should.


Another theory may come into existence, but based on all evidence we have currently, evolution is the best fitting theory. If another theory comes along that fits the evidence better than evolution, it will supplant evolution as the explanation of the diversity of life. Thats how science works. That doesn't mean the current theory isn't true. Especially when you clearly know little to nothing of said theory.
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May 21 2010 11:59pm
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until someone removes theory from the theory of evolution, I can debate any answer given to me in the form of:

The germ theory of disease, also called the pathogenic theory of medicine, is a theory that proposes that microorganisms are the cause of many diseases.

until someone removes theory from the germ theory of disease, I can debate that microorganisms cause disease. It could be demons after all. Not 100% sure. There's a x/xxxxxxxxxx chance.
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May 22 2010 12:10am
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The germ theory of disease, also called the pathogenic theory of medicine, is a theory that proposes that microorganisms are the cause of many diseases.

until someone removes theory from the germ theory of disease, I can debate that microorganisms cause disease. It could be demons after all. Not 100% sure. There's a x/xxxxxxxxxx chance.


Did you learn that at Harvard?
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May 22 2010 12:13am
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You're not using logic. You're using an argument from ignorance, which is the opposite of logic. It's actually a logical fallacy.



Evolution doesn't predict that your ancestors were squirrels, only that you and a squirrel share a common genetic ancestor however many million years ago.



Another theory may come into existence, but based on all evidence we have currently, evolution is the best fitting theory. If another theory comes along that fits the evidence better than evolution, it will supplant evolution as the explanation of the diversity of life. Thats how science works. That doesn't mean the current theory isn't true. Especially when you clearly know little to nothing of said theory.


this is how a scientist thinks. nothing wrong with this at all. I am not a scientist though, I am an idealist. one cheeseburger may satisfy you, but it may take 2 for someone else.

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The germ theory of disease, also called the pathogenic theory of medicine, is a theory that proposes that microorganisms are the cause of many diseases.

until someone removes theory from the germ theory of disease, I can debate that microorganisms cause disease. It could be demons after all. Not 100% sure. There's a x/xxxxxxxxxx chance.


your "story-line" opinion(realizing not of yours), but I could not hate you for believing so. This may seem impossible to both you and to me. but to some maybe not. if they could come up with some sort of proof, I would listen as I am with all of you.
It seems this thread became more the debate of logic and opinions dealing with facts than study of evolution or debate of though. I actually posted this thread in this section hoping to have people with different views to just start a debate. it looks as if none here will debate it besides me though. which is fine, I can continue, but I do not have any good points to say against evolution, which is why I won't say it's wrong. I merely am saying your perspective is not mine, and although you may find this ignorant and illogical. this is only because of your perspective on the idea.
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May 22 2010 12:19am
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this is how a scientist thinks.  nothing wrong with this at all.  I am not a scientist though, I am an idealist.  one cheeseburger may satisfy you, but it may take 2 for someone else.



your "story-line" opinion(realizing not of yours), but I could not hate you for believing so.  This may seem impossible to both you and to me.  but to some maybe not. if they could come up with some sort of proof, I would listen as I am with all of you.
It seems this thread became more the debate of logic and opinions dealing with facts than study of evolution or debate of though.  I actually posted this thread in this section hoping to have people with different views to just start a debate.  it looks as if none here will debate it besides me though.  which is fine, I can continue, but I do not have any good points to say against evolution, which is why I won't say it's wrong.  I merely am saying your perspective is not mine, and although you may find this ignorant and illogical.  this is only because of your perspective on the idea.


They are pretty good.
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May 22 2010 12:39am
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They are pretty good.


i really wish you wouldn't post here.
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May 22 2010 12:43am
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i really wish you wouldn't post here.


Why? Do you not like cheeseburgers?
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May 22 2010 12:46am
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this is how a scientist thinks.  nothing wrong with this at all.  I am not a scientist though, I am an idealist.  one cheeseburger may satisfy you, but it may take 2 for someone else.


Wait. We have things other than science determining the facts that govern out universe?

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i really wish you wouldn't post here.


Why? His posts are less absurd than yours.
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