I appreciate that. Yousendit seems pretty nifty. And I didn't mean a liar about the information really, I just meant I assumed that you would assume that I was dodging my claim by saying I sent it when I didn't, though I am glad to hear you believed me. I also appreciate the suggestion but I am pretty confident in how I handle validating information in my mind. I do in fact go through most of those steps listed. I'm surprised to hear you would be reading Carl Sagan and still so wary of this type of stuff. Carl Sagan had some pretty out there ideas as well. The only thing on the list I find a bit controversial is the one about whether or not it plays by the rules of science. Like I've said, I think science is great to an extent but what we are addressing here is past surface perception. What I mean by that is, we are beginning to see very real possibilities of new concepts and ideas we never imagined. When this happens the fundamental rules of science will be broken and these new ideas and concepts, even experiences, will give way to a new generation of thought. We are peeking around the corner and it's only a matter of time before we experience a kind of rebirth. It is intrinsic to the line of logic we have been following for thousands of years.

What I believe in is primarily direct experience which includes all 5 senses plus one, maybe more, but at least one. Science address all 5 senses, but no more. And thus, science is great for something that lurks within the physical reality (though nothing is ONLY physical, in my opinion, of course). If I can feel something resonating within me that is telling me this path leads somewhere extraordinary, I tend to follow it, if not for evidence, at least for the journey. However, if I stumble across evidence along the way it is great motivation to carry on. Not all people are that way though, some people aren't as sensitive and that's okay, they have a different purpose, but for me, I am a highly sensitive person in just about every sense of the word. I like to entertain the possibility that we could be perceiving things which lay outside of our comfort zone, dimensionally. In the end I don't think it is what might be called "truth" that I am seeking. I believe truth (if it exists as we have defined it typically) is a progression and that truth will happen inevitably but we're not there yet. Truth is the final breath of life to me. What I avidly seek is what we are known to call "love." Love and truth are similar in some contexts but I think love is a much more realistic goal. To my understanding of the world (cumulative of my interests, hobbies, lifestyle, experiences, interactions, relationships, etc.) love is the driving force for happenings. In some ways, I believe we are an explosion of cosmic love which is collapsing in on itself in constant motion. I do not know for sure what we are and that's part of it all. Life is a mystery. What I'd like to see is everybody experiencing this mystery in harmony and peace. It may never be possible but imagine if the world stopped for just even 1 second and we were completely still and felt the wholeness of everything in unison. That is the ultimate experience of singularity. To me, that could be construed as the meaning of life.

Science has built wonderful toys that have blown our minds time and time again but as our fractal spirals inwards our outlook must also adapt and new ideas must surface, not must, WILL surface. It is part of the whole thing. I suggest that if I just sat here and didn't say a word, things would ultimately be on track in the end but if instead I sit here and speak my mind, something along the line could change and the way in which things are the same will be different this time. It's hard to explain I suppose because it sounds so self-contradicting but I believe that everything is always on track, but it's our call WHAT we want to see happening within this track. We cannot deny that this perceivable reality has it limits, and so does the track to an extent, but that doesn't mean that our minds cannot reach their palms into the swirling abyss of infinity and take a long deep sip of what could become and what is more.

What will become of us? Is this all there is? Have we seen it all? What of the robots? What of higher intelligence? This surely can't be the end. We are not at the top of the pyramid because the pyramid doesn't exist, it is constantly self-transforming. Nothing stays the same. Nothing. I do not know how to explain this in words that make sense anymore than I have. We have lost so much of our ability to articulate this sort of thing, especially over the past 500 or so years and we are all products of this conditioning to some degree so things become blurry. In a society that promotes mind expansion and comprehension and examination of the psychedelic experience maybe we will have a way to articulate these things in ways unimagined before but until we accept that these things will not go away, we are, as McKenna famously stated, playing with a half deck of cards.

We cannot let our governments and our social stigmas tell us where we can send our curiosity, that is blind. We are still very narrow minded and we have a lot to learn. I do not claim to have any answers, I only ask that you look deeper at what has been handed to you. It opens up a world full of amazement and wonderment, much better than anything you could find of TV or even in a multi-million dollar special effects oriented movie. This is real life. Why are we here? There's something deeper at work here. Life is incredible, every breath you take is a world within a world. Science is seeking to simplify and relabel our reality through a weak effort of modern day language and empirical evidence (which isn't always right, though in some cases a necessary step in rationalizing). Language defines our ideas and thus language defines our realities and we need to understand what created language to understand what will progress language. I believe the psychedelics aided the birth of language from the beginning. If we can find a way to promote the growth of our language and our ability to articulate, visualize and comprehend our language, thus our surroundings, the very reality we thought we had defined will transform into something else. What if this is the role of these plants in our society? It truly is all about perception and that's why I will never be able to show you what I see. You have to want it. Even if in the end what you discover or hold as a conviction (which is ill-advised anyway) is "wrong" or even "not right," what have you lost? The need to be right is as much a mental barrier as anything. It is stemming from insecurities that are inherent in the development of our cultures. I regularly bend my mind to keep it flexible. What better way to have an open mind?

I also fixed your misspelling of datajunky's name. That was pretty weak.

this seriously belongs in user blogs

I'd don't think the second law or QED are going anywhere. I think you're much more likely to see laser beams spontaneously shoot of the butts of monkeys.


This was profound insight:





This is just fancy daydreaming:


This post was edited by Azrad on Dec 2 2009 07:18pm

Anyway, datajunky, I watched the whole thing of that video. It was extremely interesting. I woke up not too long ago so my mind is a bit hazy at the moment but I think it was overall very awesome. I can't say every single thing he said resonated with me but I still have research to complete and a lot of what he said correlated to previous research in ways I had never contemplated before.

I don't know what I feel about the Looking Glass machine he was talking about as far as it's actual existence but I have no basis to doubt it either. What I especially liked about that part, though, is how he tied it all together. Carl Sagan wrote about these things and also was a major player in the Arecibo Transmission which is very related to the movie Contact. I want to watch it again now that I have the basic outline of his talk in my head and hopefully this time I can really zero in on the details.

What were your thoughts on it?

I'm not so sure why he is so fascinated with the idea of a reverse engineered machine, when he also claims that the pineal gland is a virtual machine that we all have access to already. It's mind blowing, that's for sure.

can i run ubuntu 9.10 on it with compiz fusion and a cairo docking bar with open GL?

Can you possibly take anything serious, or are you going to accuse me of ruining this forum, while all the while it's you and your "ILK" that are trashing this place with your filthy spam?

Honestly, answer me.

alrighty, clarify how a pineal gland can be a virtual machine in your own definition of what a virtual machine is

probably iso a source

Dodge.

I don't need to explain, because the video is there. You can fast forward if you have no attention span or time constraints preventing you from watching it all.



ILK

This post was edited by datajunky on Dec 5 2009 11:17am