Posting a video is not an argument.
This is 100% true and should accompany PARD rules. But calling something putin propaganda isn't an argument either
The question you had at stake is;
But the question is whether the US orchestrated the revolution in Ukraine. And that's obviously bullshit. Ukraine had a revolution because they had a leader who was aligned with Russia and the people wanted to go another direction. In the aftermath of the revolution, America was dealing with the people in charge, because that's what we do.
That question is a lot murkier than you make it. There's a reasonable chance America conducted purposeful agitprop and stirred up the color revolution, even if it didn't directly orchestrate it with state actors. And once the revolution was in swing, the US very clearly adopted and micromanaged it and puppeteer the resulting government. Furthermore, we don't "deal with the people in charge because that's what we do", America has long held an explicit policy that we won't recognize the revolutionary regimes that overthrow democracies- something we seem to waive any time we
like the resulting regime, making us hypocrites.
I don't think we can say it has been proven how much or little the US had to do with the formation of the revolution. It could be a wide margin, between the CIA organizing it, or just being opportunists who had no idea it would even happen. At the same time, our reaction to the revolution was damning in and of itself. We supported the revolution, we took over the regime, we propped up an authoritarian government that disenfranchised half the country and engaged in atrocities, repression and civil war.
also to elaborate on the unknowable here: We reasonably
know that the US engaged in cyber operations, propaganda / paid actors to instigate protests against Putin during his election in 2011. It was only 3 years later that the Maidan occurred, Russia would have ever reason to think it had a similar nexus whether or not it actually did. And we still don't know.
This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 8 2025 11:38am