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Dec 4 2024 01:31pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 4 2024 11:29am)
cosplaying as a 1930s german is such an odd collective mental illness for modern US liberals.

honestly more unhealthy than people into pro wrestling. its ego personified to imagine you're in a time anywhere near as pivotal as that, you're not. trump's going to do things, he wont fundamentally change how the US system works. he's not going to topple democracy or usher in an authoritarian regime. if you think he will you're an unhinged person who ignores reality in favor of online sensationalism. the election is over and that sensationalism didnt win, leave it there for a few years until midterms.


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Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 4 2024 01:31pm)
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I have to ask, by what process could trump even accomplish such a thing?

do you imagine he literally gets rid of the entire constitution, abolishes the electoral college and legislature, holds a military coup of the entire united states, and runs the entire country as an authoritarian dictator?

and you honestly think he's going to try, or succeed, in doing that?

the guys said he wants low taxes and to deport illegals, toss up a few tariffs. how people extrapolate more is pretty nuts to me.

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Dec 4 2024 01:46pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 4 2024 11:29am)
cosplaying as a 1930s german is such an odd collective mental illness for modern US liberals.

honestly more unhealthy than people into pro wrestling. its ego personified to imagine you're in a time anywhere near as pivotal as that, you're not. trump's going to do things, he wont fundamentally change how the US system works. he's not going to topple democracy or usher in an authoritarian regime. if you think he will you're an unhinged person who ignores reality in favor of online sensationalism. the election is over and that sensationalism didnt win, leave it there for a few years until midterms.


@ bolded: I believe this phenomenon was begotten from a profound lack of direction & purpose in the postmodern world for people who are not religious. You hit the nail on the head that these people are cosplaying as 1930's left wing German resistance activists, because that gives them a purpose. We're stopping the next Adolf Hitler! We will avenge the historical record! We will be the saviours of the world! It's thinly veiled grandiose narcissism. They created a fake enemy to give themselves a purpose. It is very much connected to the postmodern leftist worldview being based upon the founding myth of WWII.
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Quote (El1te @ Dec 4 2024 01:46pm)
@ bolded: I believe this phenomenon was begotten from a profound lack of direction & purpose in the postmodern world for people who are not religious. You hit the nail on the head that these people are cosplaying as 1930's left wing German resistance activists, because that gives them a purpose. We're stopping the next Adolf Hitler! We will avenge the historical record! We will be the saviours of the world! It's thinly veiled grandiose narcissism. They created a fake enemy to give themselves a purpose. It is very much connected to the postmodern leftist worldview being based upon the founding myth of WWII.


sure. and didnt u suggest that the entire democratic party nationwide should be tried on a RICO case then executed or put in prison for life?

you're not exactly dissuading any of their notions.
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Quote (ferdia @ Dec 4 2024 11:07am)
From an outsiders perspective -

Donald Trump was not starting wars. Joe Biden, through diplomacy, could have averted the war in Ukraine.
Joe Biden stood by while American children were being battered by Israeli thugs.
Donald Trump will probably aid Israel, but it was on Joe Biden's watch that the world called the president of America a Genocide Enabler.
Joe Biden's border policy was and remains a fiasco.
Donald Trump was elected on a mandate of make american great again.
Donald Trump has good Relations with Putin, in that he can pick up the phone.
Joe Biden refused to talk to Russia and China for years and is trying to start WW3.
The world did not end under Donald Trumps' previous presidency.

Kamala Harris has no brain, Joe Biden is all of his 82 years.
Donald Trump is a flawed person but the alternative would see WW3. No thanks. so ye, MAGA.

Kamala harris is contaminated by association with Joe Biden. Neither Kamala or Joe Biden were good candidates. Kamala has no personality at all and does not make decisions. The democrats have only themselves to blame, just like the republicans will only have themselves to blame in 4 years time if they dont find a winner after trump.


TLDR

If geopolitical stability and avoidance of war are the primary criteria:

Donald Trump’s presidency appears more stable in terms of avoiding direct conflict and maintaining a lower risk of escalation with major powers.
Joe Biden’s administration has been more proactive in confronting adversaries, but this approach has heightened the risk of conflicts, particularly with Russia and China.


Its not like Biden and the neoliberal bloc want to fail or want war for the sake of war or enjoy escalation out of bloodlust. It is fundamentally an indictment of competency. Those who adhere to a calculated cynical pragmatism and aggravate these conflicts out of strategy. Syria was meant to needle Russia just as Ukraine was. And yet, they backfired. We got the losing side of a war we didn't own, the EU gets flooded by a tidal wave of consequences in both cases.

Trump somehow skated through his administration with seemingly short sighted uncomplicated policy that proved a successful map for the long term. Biden threw it away for the same cold war era neoliberal mentality that Obama had both derided publicly and embraced politically. Do we really suffer for seeking peace through economic strength, bridging the arab-israeli divide, thawing relations with the DPRK and competing with China? They aren't just immediate good PR for Trump for one newscycle, they are the groundwork of America reascendant. What do we win in Ukraine, if a hundred thousand Russians die do we trade in our tickets for a gold cupie doll?
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Dec 4 2024 01:59pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 4 2024 11:55am)
sure. and didnt u suggest that the entire democratic party nationwide should be tried on a RICO case then executed or put in prison for life?

you're not exactly dissuading any of their notions.


The entire high level leadership of the democratic party, yes. Not every registered Democrat. Because no one is above the law, and letting such high level criminals walk away scot free to appease a group of violent illiberal radicals is wrong, both morally and pragmatically - that causes people to lose faith in the judicial system, which begets the collapse of a state. NOT imprisoning these criminals is MORE dangerous than imprisoning them.

Proscription of criminal organizations masquerading as legitimate political parties is not unprecedented, and the Deutsches Reich isn't the only precedent.

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The entire high level leadership of the democratic party, yes. Not every registered Democrat. Because no one is above the law, and letting such high level criminals walk away scot free to appease a group of violent illiberal radicals is wrong, both morally and pragmatically - that causes people to lose faith in the judicial system, which begets the collapse of a state. NOT imprisoning these criminals is MORE dangerous than imprisoning them.

Proscription of criminal organizations masquerading as legitimate political parties is not unprecedented, and the Deutsches Reich isn't the only precedent.


And you have zero proof of this other than a single blackrock video, lack of social media presence, and a professionally scrubbed apartment. none of which would hold up in court let alone implicate a single person. while talking about faith in the judicial system. i dont think you understand that system let alone the 4th amendment.
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Dec 4 2024 02:06pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 4 2024 01:15pm)
it is troubling that so many Americans are dumb enough to be swept up by the MAGA cult, yes. is there anything I can do about it? hardly. Im not capable of deprogramming the indoctrinated - especially those who are incapable of thinking for themselves

the American collective will, at some point, have to face its shadow. just like Germany did


and why are you so sure youre not the one that was brainwashed?

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and why are you so sure youre the one that wasnt brainwashed?


Im more than willing to change my mind and be proven wrong
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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 4 2024 12:04pm)
And you have zero proof of this other than a single blackrock video, lack of social media presence, and a professionally scrubbed apartment. none of which would hold up in court let alone implicate a single person. while talking about faith in the judicial system. i dont think you understand that system let alone the 4th amendment.


With respect to the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, which you are referencing and is but one crime of many, sure, I cannot claim to have proof of conspiracy. The evidence is there (BlackRock video is very strong evidence plus what you cited), the proof is not *currently* there because the regime is still in power. I expect if this is actually investigated that the proof will be as simple as extracting confessions, most of these people are weasels who will sing to save themselves.

In regards to the multitude of other crimes that the Democratic party is collectively responsible for, the crime that I will reference that we have all the proof for is the conspiracy against the 1st amendment rights of Americans in the censorship Facebook & Twitter leading up to the 2020 election. Literally all the proof is publicized and is right there, staring at us in the face. The Democratic party, using their secret police arms, coerced Facebook & Twitter to censor information that harmed them. That's it. That alone is enough to indict the entire organization. And that's not even counting the multitude of other crimes.

You cite one crime that we don't presently have proof for (the attempted assassination) but you could also cite the multitudes of other crimes that we DO have proof for.

The 4th amendment uses the term "unreasonable". It's not unreasonable to search the organization by any stretch of the word. They can get warrants.

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