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Nov 20 2024 10:52am
I remember COVID and how the entire world over reacted so similarly it was suspicious (except Sweden).

In my opinion the west, Russia, China, ect. leaders are in this together for more weapon sales and market manipulations.

I hope the true argument in people who care about the future of earth and humanity becomes how do we punish corruption internally so these needless wars for profit can finally come to and end and we can focus on more important issues like education, sustainability, infrastructure.
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Nov 20 2024 10:53am
Quote (El1te @ 21 Nov 2024 00:46)
Few randoms? It's the general consensus among the voters of the guy who just won the US election for POTUS


Conservatives are randoms now. :thumbsup: All 75 Million of them.
We haven't count the rest of the world.

So many randoms. You and Me, we are Randoms Muah Ha Ha.
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Nov 20 2024 10:55am
Like if you were to take a poll of all humans in earth asking who wants these wars in Europe, mid east, Africa. I think it would be 90+percent not wanted yet for our leaders still push these wars...if we could stop local corruption I think the wars would stop as well.

This post was edited by chudman123 on Nov 20 2024 10:55am
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Quote (chudman123 @ Nov 20 2024 05:52pm)
more important issues like education, sustainability, infrastructure.


The Swiss have been doing this for the last 600 years. I wish everyone starts doing the same. Less Russian TV, more work! :)
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Nov 20 2024 10:56am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 20 2024 08:53am)
Conservatives are randoms now. :thumbsup: All 75 Million of them.
We haven't count the rest of the world.

So many randoms. You and Me, we are Randoms Muah Ha Ha.


Fringe minority with unacceptable beliefs 😅

The hammer is going to come down so hard on these people it will be Biblical
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Nov 20 2024 10:58am
Quote (Ashirgo @ Nov 20 2024 08:19am)
Having an intellectual discussion is one thing. However, some people here regurgitate every little small thing that you can also hear on Russian TV. Some people here are collecting a 100% perfect score of claiming all of the following:

- accuse Zelensky of being a dictator
- accuse USA of orchestrating the 2013 Euromaidan and giving the guns to insurgents
- accuse the West of supporting Ukrainian Azov groups since at least 2013
- accuse Ukraine of being completely infiltrated and under Nazi control
- fully justify Russia's right to claim Ukraine for themselves

- accuse the West of moral rot
- repeatedly bring up old griefs like Bandera

I could keep going..

Some people are definitely here to express their balanced anti-war sentiment, like ^babun1024

But some people here are getting a 100% perfect score on the "Putin-friendly" benchmark. This doesn't look like independent thinking to me.


pretty much all this is correct but a couple things maybe not so much... you don't need a 100% nazi control to make a nazi influence on policies ..Russia does not have a right to claim Ukraine ..But has might to negotiate a demand for peace that was denied..So Ukraine's choice was war..
I can agree with rest :P
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Nov 20 2024 11:03am
Quote (El1te @ 21 Nov 2024 00:56)
Fringe minority with unacceptable beliefs 😅

The hammer is going to come down so hard on these people it will be Biblical


The accusations of people watching Russian News and TV is absolutely mind blowing. The indoctrination is so deep that unless we have similar viewpoints we must have watch Russian TV.
This is communist style brainwashing similar to the Cultural Revolution in China.

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Nov 20 2024 11:06am
Quote (doomchaser @ Nov 20 2024 05:58pm)
pretty much all this is correct but a couple things maybe not so much... you don't need a 100% nazi control to make a nazi influence on policies ..Russia does not have a right to claim Ukraine ..But has might to negotiate a demand for peace that was denied..So Ukraine's choice was war..
I can agree with rest :P


Would you also say that Zelensky is a dictator? How do you justify this view? It was expected that Russia would try to spin it this way at some point, ignoring the fact that the Ukrainian law doesn't allow for elections during war.

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Nov 20 2024 11:09am
Quote (Ashirgo @ Nov 20 2024 09:06am)
Would you also say that Zelensky is a dictator? How do you justify this view? It was expected that Russia would try to spin it this way at some point, ignoring the fact that the Ukrainian law doesn't allow for elections during war.


hmmm, he is a dictator now for sure.. just arrested a member of his parliament for saying he needs to negotiate a peace... eliminated other parties .. denied new elections.. So much more ..Sure he is Dictator now lol
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Nov 20 2024 11:14am
Quote (doomchaser @ Nov 20 2024 06:09pm)
hmmm, he is a dictator now for sure.. just arrested a member of his parliament for saying he needs to negotiate a peace... eliminated other parties .. denied new elections.. So much more ..Sure he is Dictator now lol


Yes, elections aren't happening until the war is done, this is Ukrainian law here basically.

Ukraine has a multi-party system, and all parties with Russian sympathies have been banned. Is this really a surprise when they are fighting a war with Russia, though.

This is definitely a tough time to be a Russian sympathiser in Ukraine. I would wait and see until the war is done to see whether he really behaves like a dictator. It's not like I'm in a rush to call him names.

I totally agree though that the Ukrainian measures to restrict the use of Russian language were definitely perceived as, let's say, a moment of cringe, in the West.
I can imagine that when the things go Zelensky's way, the future Ukraine will be strongly nationalistic and Russian-language free.

and yes, let's conveniently ignore the Ukrainian law, the war, and call presidential elections right now, to please you. I'm sure Ukrainians will be overjoyed to vote for a new president under Russian bombardment.

Few people in Poland even remember or know of Bandera. Literally everyone was ready to forget about this guy when Russians in 2022 started to plaster every conversation with his name. That's one huge red flag.

This post was edited by Ashirgo on Nov 20 2024 11:43am
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