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Sep 9 2024 10:56am
Quote (El1te @ Sep 9 2024 06:03pm)
Massacres do in fact happen everywhere be it with rifle, knife, machete or vehicle

To ignore this is sticking your head in the sand

Some indigenous dude in Sask here went on a knife rampage some time ago, we all know about the mass vehicular slaughters and knife rampage in Europe and we've had terrible mass shootings in Canada, and there was that incel vehicular massacre in TO


You should learn to read properly. I never said it doesnt happen anywhere else.
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Sep 9 2024 11:07am
Quote (Modulok2405 @ Sep 9 2024 09:56am)
You should learn to read properly. I never said it doesnt happen anywhere else.


It's not as infrequent as you muse its about on par when you account for per capita population, an exception is China but they have a strong authoritarian surveillance state which prevents it

in fact, massacres happen on a daily or weekly basis in Africa and other failed anarchic areas, but no news reports it and no one cares
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Sep 9 2024 11:17am
Why is there such a deafening silence on actually addressing this issue? Mental health, gun laws, and every other inane 'debate' about this is a complete red herring. Media influenced social contagion actually has the greatest scientific support, would be astonishingly easy to address, and yet here we are.

Case in point regarding this specific case, via the FBI's disclosure about this shooter's Discord messages:

"“im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years,” the account user wrote in one post, according to the outlet. “I cant kill myself yet, cause I’m not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did.”

NBC: https://shorturl.at/GeBKV

"Authorities searching the home of the 14-year-old accused of killing four people at a Georgia high school this week found documents that they believe he wrote referencing past school shootings, a law enforcement source familiar with the investigation told CNN.

The source said that the writings were discovered in the bedroom of suspect Colt Gray, and included references to the 2018 massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida."

CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/colt-gray-suspect-georgia-shooter/index.html
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Sep 9 2024 10:17am)
Why is there such a deafening silence on actually addressing this issue? Mental health, gun laws, and every other inane 'debate' about this is a complete red herring. Media influenced social contagion actually has the greatest scientific support, would be astonishingly easy to address, and yet here we are.

Case in point regarding this specific case, via the FBI's disclosure about this shooter's Discord messages:

"“im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years,” the account user wrote in one post, according to the outlet. “I cant kill myself yet, cause I’m not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did.”

NBC: https://shorturl.at/GeBKV

"Authorities searching the home of the 14-year-old accused of killing four people at a Georgia high school this week found documents that they believe he wrote referencing past school shootings, a law enforcement source familiar with the investigation told CNN.

The source said that the writings were discovered in the bedroom of suspect Colt Gray, and included references to the 2018 massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida."

CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/colt-gray-suspect-georgia-shooter/index.html


Addressing the issue means alot of lost profits for those social media companies, who work together with advertisers and the media to rake in the cash. That's why it will never be discussed in mainstream media and will always be shadowbanned/downregulated by social media & advertisers

It's cynical as hell but it's true
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Sep 9 2024 11:32am
Quote (El1te @ Sep 9 2024 10:24am)
Addressing the issue means alot of lost profits for those social media companies, who work together with advertisers and the media to rake in the cash. That's why it will never be discussed in mainstream media and will always be shadowbanned/downregulated by social media & advertisers

It's cynical as hell but it's true


I don't think you're wrong. It is deeply unfortunate that media has lost any sense of public service or accountability, such that they will prioritize the profits of increased ratings/engagement to cover mass shooters in a way that has resulted in a uniquely American phenomenon where mass shooters are thrust into the spotlight, feel like they 'made their mark', and subsequently inspire other mass shooters to follow in their footsteps or get higher kill scores. We've created a fast-track to notoriety and fame, with seemingly no public will to actually address this at-scale.

A great deal of research has been done on this, and you can draw direct lines of inspiration primarily going back to the Columbine shooters, whom themselves were directly inspired by the Oklahoma City Bombing and wanted to out-do that event with their own.

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I don't think you're wrong. It is deeply unfortunate that media has lost any sense of public service or accountability, such that they will prioritize the profits of increased ratings/engagement to cover mass shooters in a way that has resulted in a uniquely American phenomenon where mass shooters are thrust into the spotlight, feel like they 'made their mark', and subsequently inspire other mass shooters to follow in their footsteps or get higher kill scores. We've created a fast-track to notoriety and fame, with seemingly no public will to actually address this at-scale.

A great deal of research has been done on this, and you can draw direct lines of inspiration primarily going back to the Columbine shooters, whom themselves were directly inspired by the Oklahoma City Bombing and wanted to out-do that event with their own.


I absolutely agree this is the root cause and impetus behind these attacks, it being rooted in the desire to be recognized, making their mark as you mention.

On the topic of red herrings, another unfortunate reality is that both political sides are incentivized to thrust and disseminate these tragedies on the public - the left wing wants to bring attention to these tragedies and blame the guns, furthering their political ambitions of gun control, while the right wing wants to bring attention to these tragedies and blame the mental health, furthering their political ambitions of a greater religious presence & structure in the public sphere. I agree that both are red herrings which avoid the real issue of social media contagion & the desire for social recognition. These competing incentives form an unholy triad between the political parties & corporate media who all profit, much like a cartel.
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Sep 9 2024 12:02pm
Quote (El1te @ Sep 9 2024 10:46am)
I absolutely agree this is the root cause and impetus behind these attacks, it being rooted in the desire to be recognized, making their mark as you mention.

On the topic of red herrings, another unfortunate reality is that both political sides are incentivized to thrust and disseminate these tragedies on the public - the left wing wants to bring attention to these tragedies and blame the guns, furthering their political ambitions of gun control, while the right wing wants to bring attention to these tragedies and blame the mental health, furthering their political ambitions of a greater religious presence & structure in the public sphere. I agree that both are red herrings which avoid the real issue of social media contagion & the desire for social recognition. These competing incentives form an unholy triad between the political parties & corporate media who all profit, much like a cartel.


On this we definitely agree! Hopefully more will see it this way.
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Sep 9 2024 12:51pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Sep 9 2024 05:32pm)
It is deeply unfortunate that media has lost any sense of public service or accountability


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

It's real, it has not been ended.

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In Fact, several news reporters are CIA agents.
One example is Anderson Cooper, who is a known CIA Agent.

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Quote (El1te @ Sep 9 2024 07:07pm)
It's not as infrequent as you muse its about on par when you account for per capita population, an exception is China but they have a strong authoritarian surveillance state which prevents it

in fact, massacres happen on a daily or weekly basis in Africa and other failed anarchic areas, but no news reports it and no one cares


Not talking about all kinds of massacres, not talking about 3rd world countries either.
I am talking about mass shootings in schools, especially in 1st and 2nd world countries, cause thats the comparison that makes sense here.

70 - 80% of those happen in the United States. Yes, 70 - 80%!!. Forget your per capita bs, dude. 10% would be absolutely horrible, but its 70 - 80%. That is absolutely INSANE!

This is a special problem in the states and you cant deny it.

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