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Jul 30 2024 04:46am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 30 2024 09:25am)
If you put a bunch of people doing hand poses on a single side of a long white table with a central figure in the middle wreathed in a halo, you're aping the last supper. Full stop. If you cite a 17th century work homaging the 16th century last supper, it just makes you both ignorant and blasphemous. Whatever other symbolism or other imagery you do afterwards doesn't negate the prior display somehow


Interesting side info:
Muslims are apparently just as offended as the christians. Jesus is also one of their prophets and there is a whole chapter in quran dedicated to the last supper. They are mad at the French for allowing such a blasphemy :lol: They call the French men useless cucks.

Never expected this kind of reaction from that corner.

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Interesting side info:
Muslims are apparently just as offended as the christians. Jesus is also one of their prophets and there is a whole chapter in quran dedicated to the last supper. They are mad at the French for allowing such a blasphemy :lol: They call the French men useless cucks.

Never expected this kind of reaction from that corner.


Yeah I was saying earlier in the thread its striking how this actually denigrates islam and yet they conspicuously had zero islamic represention in the ceremonies. 10% of the population muslims and skyrocketing, 0.002% are transgender and they are an evolutionary dead end
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Jul 30 2024 07:47am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 29 2024 11:35am)
I think it was a poorly thought out idea, and I'm not sure why this idea was utilized either. I tend to also agree with the adage of not attributing to malice what otherwise could be explained by ignorance, and in this instance I assume this is also the case--at least, especially for the people featured (I can't speak to whomever actually came up with the idea itself). Most of the discourse I see online is a mixture of the same "But, why?" coupled with people arguing whether it depicts Last Supper or that it's as the director said it is: a homage to Feast of Dyonisus.


You're being awfully generous to the artists, people who tend to put great deals of thought into their work.

The notion that they were ignorant of the scene they were depicting is pretty naive. Malice in this case is a perfectly reasonable assessment of their performance.
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Jul 30 2024 08:22am
It's safe to say, the french offended everyone yet again.
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Jul 30 2024 09:23am
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If an Indian saw a bearded man in a dress they would rape them, then when confronted about the rape they would come up with some excuse blaming lower people in the caste system.


In many villages in India this is exactly the case and exactly how it would play out.

There is a famous case where an uncle & father rape their niece/daughter and they not only get away with it(easily) the poor girl had to "apologize" to them in order to get back into the village(she'd have likely died outside the village so she of course apologized.)

There are also Hindus who are extremely homophobic who much like some Middle Easterners would just beat the person to death for being "gay".

That's the crazy thing about India and I've been there. You have thousands of "religions/philosophies/gods" and everyone gets along for the most part. Sadly it is the "Muslim Hindus" who are responsible for the senseless violence(really no surprise there)(they act the same no matter what country they are living in). Muslims now make up close to 15% of Hindus in terms of religious affiliation and take pride in killing Buddhist/Sikhs/Christians/etc.

For most Hindus though(the one's who practice Hinduism) they are non-violent and non-expansionist. Hindus have never attempted to conquer countries/peoples solely on the "my god > your god" we saw happen within the Abrahamic faiths for thousands of years now.

That's for me what makes the Abrahamic faiths such a joke to Hindus. Constant "begging" for their "God" to come back. Constant hate for those who don't believe in the same "named god". Never willing to read/study other cultures/religions to gain better discernment/understanding. Then of course there is the oceans worth of knowledge that is the totality of all major Hindu texts. When you read it you immediately come to the realization that all the things "white men supposedly did/said" were DONE 3,000+ years ago and are word for word in ancient Sanskrit(medicine/science/mathematics/poetry/etc.).

Funny to me as someone raised Catholic(white caucasian) that we talk about the "Renaissance and Scientific Revolution" as if we were the "first" when in reality the Hindus predate the Greeks by even a thousand years and their explanations for things make our "greatest accomplishments" a literal joke. They just don't have the "ego" western folks are so fond of lol.

So in 33AD when Christ was crucified the Hindus had already been developing advanced everything for close to 2,000 years but yet somehow the Abrahmic faiths "think" they were the first to hypothesize/postulate/do "things".

Buddha lived 500 years before Christ did and basically said the exact same things Christ did but don't tell that to the "Jesus/Moses/Mohammad" crew don't want to sink the fake boat they've been riding on. Hindus have too much heart to tell them that every idea they claim to have come up with is written in Sanskrit word for word for everyone to see.

If any person born into Western tradition/culture/religion even read just ONE Sanskrit epic they would say to themselves....."Wow and I thought the "Bible/Quran/Torah" was "IT" how could I have been so fucking dumb".
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Jul 30 2024 09:29am
Quote (Santara @ Jul 30 2024 08:47am)
You're being awfully generous to the artists, people who tend to put great deals of thought into their work.

The notion that they were ignorant of the scene they were depicting is pretty naive. Malice in this case is a perfectly reasonable assessment of their performance.


It takes a pretty profound level of pleading ignorance for a self-identified 'artist' to claim they didn't realize that putting a haloed figure in the center of a white table with people on either side doing hand poses would resemble the last supper.
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Jul 30 2024 10:19am
Quote (Goomshill @ 30 Jul 2024 10:29)
It takes a pretty profound level of pleading ignorance for a self-identified 'artist' to claim they didn't realize that putting a haloed figure in the center of a white table with people on either side doing hand poses would resemble the last supper.


+1

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Jul 30 2024 10:50am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 30 2024 03:29pm)
It takes a pretty profound level of pleading ignorance for a self-identified 'artist' to claim they didn't realize that putting a haloed figure in the center of a white table with people on either side doing hand poses would resemble the last supper.


It's the same people who spit on the cross and then tell you to read the bible.
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Jul 30 2024 12:19pm
Quote (Santara @ Jul 30 2024 06:47am)
You're being awfully generous to the artists, people who tend to put great deals of thought into their work.

The notion that they were ignorant of the scene they were depicting is pretty naive. Malice in this case is a perfectly reasonable assessment of their performance.


I think it's important to separate the creative director from the actual performers featured, is all I'm saying. And statements by the performers, subsequent to the actual performance, do not indicate some kind of clear malice. Malice would imply an intention to disrespect or offend, and their statements indicate a desire to engage in transgression via the visual representation of queer people in such settings.

I don't think it was good art and shouldn't have been performed; however, I know that to many (not you, specifically) anything short of "Groomers at it again with their insults to religion and perversion of children" will never be enough.
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Jul 30 2024 12:27pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 30 2024 06:19pm)
I think it's important to separate the creative director from the actual performers featured, is all I'm saying. And statements by the performers, subsequent to the actual performance, do not indicate some kind of clear malice. Malice would imply an intention to disrespect or offend, and their statements indicate a desire to engage in transgression via the visual representation of queer people in such settings.

I don't think it was good art and shouldn't have been performed; however, I know that to many (not you, specifically) anything short of "Groomers at it again with their insults to religion and perversion of children" will never be enough.


They knew what they were signing up for. They're just as accountable as the director.
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