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Oct 7 2023 08:19pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 7 2023 10:14pm)


That guy is a fucking idiot

How dare you
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its the atheists that fall for it for some reason as they screech about christianity

STAGE 1: INFILTRATION

Muslims begin moving to non-Muslim countries in increasing numbers and the beginning of cultural conflicts are visible, though often subtle.
o First migration wave to non-Muslim “host” country.
o Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the host society.
o Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful & Muslims as victims of misunderstanding and racism (even though Islam is not a ‘race’).
o High Muslim birth rate in host country increase Muslim population.
o Mosques used to spread Islam and dislike of host country & culture.
o Calls to criminalize “Islamophobia” as a hate crime.
o Threatened legal action for perceived discrimination.
o Offers of “interfaith dialogue” to indoctrinate non-Muslims.

How many nations are suffering from Islamic infiltration? One? A handful? Nearly every nation? The Islamic ‘leadership” of the Muslim Brotherhood and others wish to dissolve each nation’s sovereignty and replace it with the global imposition of Islamic sharia law. Sharia law, based on the koran, sira and hadith, condemns liberty and forbids equality and is inconsistent with the laws of all Western nations. As the author and historian Serge Trifkovic states:

“The refusal of the Western elite class to protect their nations from jihadist infiltration is the biggest betrayal in history.”

STAGE 2: CONSOLIDATION OF POWER

Muslim immigrants and host country converts continue demands for accommodation in employment, education, social services, financing and courts.
o Proselytizing increases; Establishment and Recruitment of Jihadi cells.
o Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population to Islam.
o Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
o Efforts to destroy historic evidence that reveal true Islamism.
o Increased anti-western propaganda and psychological warfare.
o Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (communists, anarchists).
o Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint.
o Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslims.
o Efforts to introduce blasphemy and hate laws in order to silence critics.
o Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and immigration.
o Use of charities to recruit supporters and fund jihad.
o Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of host society from within.
o Development of Muslim political base in non-Muslim host society.
o Islamic Financial networks fund political growth, acquisition of land.
o Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
o Tolerance of non-Muslims diminishes.
o Greater demands to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
o Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives in hidden locations.
o Overt disregard/rejection of non-Muslim society’s legal system, culture.
o Efforts to undermine and destroy power base of non-Muslim religions including and especially Jews and Christians.

Is there a pattern here? Theo van Gogh is murdered in the Netherlands for ‘insulting’ Islam; the Organization of the Islamic Conference demands ‘anti-blasphemy’ laws through the United Nations; France is set afire regularly by ‘youths’ (read Muslims); the rise of (dis-) honor killings…holocaust denial…anti-Semitism…deception re the tenets of Islam; hatred toward Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists. The pattern for all to see is the rise of Islamic intolerance and the covert/cultural jihad to remake host societies into sharia-compliant worlds – to remove host sovereignty and replace it with Islamic sharia law. Sharia law that condemns earthly liberty and individual freedom, that forbids equality among faiths and between the sexes, that rejects the concept of nations outside the global house of Islam, that of dar al-Islam.

STAGE 3: OPEN WAR w/ LEADERSHIP & CULTURE

Open violence to impose Sharia law and associated cultural restrictions; rejection of host government, subjugation of other religions and customs.
o Intentional efforts to undermine the host government & culture.
o Acts of barbarity to intimidate citizens and foster fear and submission.
o Open and covert efforts to cause economic collapse of the society.
o All opposition is challenged and either eradicated or silenced.
o Mass execution of non-Muslims.
o Widespread ethnic cleansing by Islamic militias.
o Rejection and defiance of host society secular laws or culture.
o Murder of “moderate” Muslim intellectuals who don’t support Islamization.
o Destruction of churches, synagogues and other non-Muslim institutions.
o Women are restricted further in accordance with Sharia law.
o Large-scale destruction of population, assassinations, bombings.
o Toppling of government and usurpation of political power.
o Imposition of Sharia law

STAGE 4: Totalitarian ISLAMIC “THEOCRACY”

Islam becomes the only religious-political-judicial-cultural ideology.
o Sharia becomes the “law of the land.
o All non-Islamic human rights cancelled.
o Enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim population.
o Freedom of speech and the press eradicated.
o All religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
o Destruction of all evidence of non-Muslim culture, populations and symbols in country (Buddhas, houses of worship, art, etc).

The House of Islam (“peace”), dar al-Islam, includes those nations that have submitted to Islamic rule, to the soul crushing, liberty-condemning, discriminatory law of Sharia. The rest of the world in in the House of War, dar al-harb, because it does not submit to Sharia, and exists in a state of rebellion or war with the will of ‘Allah.’ No non-Muslim state or its citizens are “innocent,” and remain viable targets of war for not believing in ‘Allah.’ The Christian, Jewish, Coptic, Hindu and Zoroastrian peoples of world have suffered under subjugation for centuries. The Dhimmi-esque are forbidden to construct houses of worship or repair existing ones, economically crippled by the heavy jizya (tax), socially humiliated, legally discriminated against, criminally targeted and generally kept in a permanent state of weakness, fear and vulnerability by Islamic governments.

It should be noted that forced conversions (Egypt) and slavery (Sudan) are still reported. Homosexuals have been hung in the public square in Iran. Young girls are married to old men. Apostates are threatened with death. “Honor” killings are routine. Women are legally second-class citizens, though Muslim males insist they are “treated better” than in the West. These more obvious manifestations may distract from some less obvious ones such as the lack of intellectual inquiry in science, narrow scope of writing, all but non-existent art and music, sexual use and abuse of youth and women, and the disregard for personal fulfillment, joy and wonder. Look into the eyes of a recently married 12 year old girl to see the consequence of the moral deprivation spawned by Islam.

This post was edited by TiStuff on Oct 7 2023 08:22pm
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Oct 7 2023 08:25pm
Quote (Mastermule @ 8 Oct 2023 04:19)
That guy is a fucking idiot
How dare you


... Yes.

Quote (TiStuff @ 8 Oct 2023 04:19)
STAGE 1


... No.

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Oct 7 2023 08:29pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Oct 7 2023 09:11pm)
Are you advocating genocide?


In the mid 19th century, the white settlers of Minnesota lived peacefully alongside the natives including the Dakota who had sold their land for reasonably generous treaty investments and stipends and moved to a reservation to the north. And in 1862 during the civil war the federal government defaulted on its treaty obligations as the treasury was stretched thin to pay soldiers and tried to defer payments to the Dakota, who needed them to buy food from middlemen. Little Crow led a band of militant Dakota who decided to commit a genocide and wipe out all the white settlers, raping and murdering and torturing up the plains and killing 600-2000 civilians. Grabbing women out of their homes, slaughtering people unchecked- before being held back by militias at the cities and a rapidly assembled army. The rest of the non-Dakota indians continued to live in peace, but the government sentenced 300+ Dakota to death for war crimes, of which only 38 were executed after Lincoln commuted many after reviewing the evidence against them. The rest of the Dakota (just 1658 total, mostly women and children) were exiled from the state, forcibly marched to Fort Snelling, then put on steamboats and shipped to the Dakota territories (modern North/South Dakota), with 200-300ish dying during the march and internment from disease after a measles outbreak.

Egypt's Sinai can't accommodate the 2 million+ Gazans currently living in one of the most densely populated cities on the planet. But I'm sure you see the historical parallel here
That said, I think the most likely outcome of this conflict can be defined by means and necessity. Gaza can't be occupied or besieged or just forcibly removed like the Nagorno Karabahk these past few weeks, because its so incredibly dense. Israel can't just keep the same strategy of holding Palestinians in a pen with only border walls to hold them back. I believe that after the dust settles, looking out months and years, we'll see the formation of a DMZ around the Gaza Strip filled with land miles, barbed wire, bunkers, etc. No more open highway access, no land routes in or out except via Egypt, all commuting labor ended as Palestinians go from being stuck behind checkpoints to being stuck behind minefields.
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Oct 7 2023 08:39pm
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Careful, they don't like it when you say the quiet part out loud.
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Oct 7 2023 08:40pm
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islam and god of war
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Oct 7 2023 08:48pm
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In the mid 19th century, the white settlers of Minnesota lived peacefully alongside the natives including the Dakota who had sold their land for reasonably generous treaty investments and stipends and moved to a reservation to the north. And in 1862 during the civil war the federal government defaulted on its treaty obligations as the treasury was stretched thin to pay soldiers and tried to defer payments to the Dakota, who needed them to buy food from middlemen. Little Crow led a band of militant Dakota who decided to commit a genocide and wipe out all the white settlers, raping and murdering and torturing up the plains and killing 600-2000 civilians. Grabbing women out of their homes, slaughtering people unchecked- before being held back by militias at the cities and a rapidly assembled army. The rest of the non-Dakota indians continued to live in peace, but the government sentenced 300+ Dakota to death for war crimes, of which only 38 were executed after Lincoln commuted many after reviewing the evidence against them. The rest of the Dakota (just 1658 total, mostly women and children) were exiled from the state, forcibly marched to Fort Snelling, then put on steamboats and shipped to the Dakota territories (modern North/South Dakota), with 200-300ish dying during the march and internment from disease after a measles outbreak.

Egypt's Sinai can't accommodate the 2 million+ Gazans currently living in one of the most densely populated cities on the planet. But I'm sure you see the historical parallel here


I don't. Can you spell it out for me please? I sometimes feel that you talk in riddles.
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Oct 7 2023 09:21pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 8 Oct 2023 02:27)
At this point I hope Israel goes full occupation. Stop the slow burn. Just get it done so you aren't allowing thousands of children to be born so you just murder them later.


wdym? they have already been in "full occupation" mode for decades now. do you mean full eradication? because that's an area where they've been holding back somewhat. apartheid yes, discrimination and oppression yes, full genocide not yet...

Quote (Plaguefear @ 8 Oct 2023 03:59)
I agree, its horrific but what other option is there at this point?
Can't let this shit for for another hundred years.
This is a 9/11 scale attack, the us would already be committing genocide by now.


the only viable way to peace would be two sovereign states imo. netanyahu knows that of course, categorically rejects that approach, and strongly favours (settlement) policies to prevent it - and trump also has played a significant part in making it indeed almost impossible at this point.

in theory though, if it came to be, i doubt an independent palestine, in control of its own land, resources, and destiny, would dare to wage war against a US-backed, armed to the teeth israel.

these terror attacks are, amongst other factors, a result of israel's generations long, brutal occupation and the suffering they inflict on women and children every day. that does, of course, not justify them, but it explains how people can get so radicalised.
this will now predictably spiral out of control again: israel will "retaliate" disproportionally, killing innocent bystanders, women and children indiscriminately, just like the terrorists did, which will in turn radicalise even more palestinians for more attacks on israeli forces and civilians. it's a tragedy really.

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Oct 7 2023 09:30pm
Quote (fender @ Oct 7 2023 08:21pm)

these terror attacks are, amongst other factors, a result of israel's generations long, brutal occupation and the suffering they inflict on women and children every day. that does, of course, not justify them, but it explains how people can get so radicalised.
this will now predictably spiral out of control again: israel will "retaliate" disproportionally, killing innocent bystanders, women and children indiscriminately, just like the terrorists did, which will in turn radicalise even more palestinians for more attacks on israeli forces and civilians. it's a tragedy really.


Does Israel know this? I don't understand why the leadership in Israel fail to see that violence only begets more violence. Do they not want to live in peace? If they return the favor, it will only cause more deaths, both of the Palestinians and of their own. I don't understand why they want to live like this.
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