No and no. There are many instances. I talked about the laws regrading it.

http://www.dw.com/en/pegida-founder-lutz-bachmann-in-court-over-hate-speech-charges/a-19197422
http://www.dw.com/en/german-holocaust-denier-imprisoned-for-inciting-racial-hatred/a-2386563

this is arguable at best.
You dont even have the freedom to arm yourself against criminals.


And there it is.
You finally admit it after several posts of dick waving and insults and pretending I was wrong

At no point do i pretend america is totally free or that the government is great.
Im one of the most outspoken and flagrantly anti-regulation pro-liberty posters here.. constantly criticizing the US government.

Crazy restrictions on speech and self defense among other things are repressive, and as they are expanding it is becoming increasingly more repressive. as I said.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jun 26 2017 02:07pm

the first link includes NO one "arrested for free speech that the government doesn't like".

the second link is about someone who was sentenced in 1995, arrested in america, where he was DENIED political asylum - for systematically and repeatedly denying the holocaust.
this is NOT a "regressive government arresting people for speech they don't like", this is a government enforcing a LAW concerning holocaust denial. you don't even notice what you're defending here, do you?

you ARE wrong and dishonest, completely misrepresenting what actually happens, even trying to suggest i EVER said americans DON'T have more freedom when it comes to hate speech and nazi ideology...

but sure, keep ignoring the fact that you live in an actually repressive government that incarcerates almost 9 times (!) as many ppl per capita and has less overall freedom (!), and tell yourself that getting away with holocaust denial makes up for it...

WOW its a LAW! thats means its not SPEECH they DOnt LiKe i GuEsS

Not all speech deserves respect or protection.

yes explicitly recognizing and dedicating most of my posts to the fact that the US government does bad shit too is really me 'ignoring' it. you caught me.

as I said, 'buttt your govt does stuff too' is a ridiculous nationalistic deflection. the topic is the german government restricting speech, which is a reality that you have ACTUALLY been skirting around.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jun 26 2017 02:48pm

pretty much the premise that has led to all historical oppressions

exactly. it's completely irrelevant if the current government and the individuals it consists of "like" it or not, it's a law that was implemented for a reason - and a court decided he repeatedly, deliberately, and systematically acted against it, hence he was sentenced.
how that makes germany a "regressive government" is your secret, but either way it makes your claim a LIE.

unlike what you suggested in your previous post, i made it clear from the beginning that i acknowledge that germany is STRICTER in that regard than most other countries. i think i don't have to explain the historic background to you, and although i personally think it's a good thing, i can see the argument against it.
but again, every nation restricts free speech at some point and overall germany has still more freedom, if you like it or not.

This post was edited by fender on Jun 26 2017 02:51pm

It's also the premise that leads to a safe and stable society.

Come at me bro.

Germany take it too far

Its a law(or a series of laws) restricting speech they dont like. holy fuck you are dense.

but either way im lying? lmao.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jun 26 2017 03:05pm