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Quote (El1te @ Nov 14 2024 05:24pm)
It was split in half though wasn't it?

https://i.imgur.com/VAZqgWR.png

https://i.imgur.com/hv3z4st.png

Jordan is that other half. The reason that Hamas & friends are not welcome in Jordan is because they gleefully and unrepentantly tried to murder the ruling family - this seems like a problem of their own making

I do completely agree though that it was a massive mistake for Israel to not simply annex Gaza and Samaria decades ago. That is a problem of their own making, their own weakness at the time


yes i accept that correction.
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Quote (El1te @ Nov 14 2024 06:24pm)
It was split in half though wasn't it?

https://i.imgur.com/VAZqgWR.png

https://i.imgur.com/hv3z4st.png

Jordan is that other half. The reason that Hamas & friends are not welcome in Jordan is because they gleefully and unrepentantly tried to murder the ruling family - this seems like a problem of their own making

I do completely agree though that it was a massive mistake for Israel to not simply annex Gaza and Samaria decades ago. That is a problem of their own making, their own weakness at the time


Correction, Hamas are not welcome anywhere. They destroyed Libanon and created lots of trouble in Egypt. Some people accuse Egypt of cooperating with Israel and the West by blocking humanitarian help or refugee movement out of Gaza. In reality, they prevent any Gazan who might be a Hamas member to pass into Egypt. That's their primary concern, I am not kidding. They'd do that even if Israel didn't ask them.

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Quote (Malopox @ 14 Nov 2024 16:29)
Look, don't get me wrong, I'm trying to figure out a way to justify what Israel is doing. I've asked you several times now - what is the plan? Let's say they release the hostages, what then? You have 5-10 years of peace and have to "cut the grass" again?

It seems to me, based on your replies, Israel is cosplaying Second Boer War from a hundred years ago stage by stage. People are unable to leave (they were born there, where should they go? who would accept them?), people are held in open air camps as a punishment for actions of "the others" and there seems to be no end to this in any reasonable future. If you remember Second Boer war - the British were unable to defeat the Boers, so the implemented scorched earth tactic, burning and destroying everything they captured. Eventually they took all women, children and those unwilling to fight as hostages in an open air concentration camps. Hundreds of thousands were interned in these camps. There was no food, diseases ran rampant, people died in tens of thousands from starvation, typhoid, malaria and what else, while British tried to force the guerilla fighting men to come out of the hiding and stop terrorizing their forces.

https://i.imgur.com/Wlcf34Y.png


The British ultimately won the Second Boer War, but at what cost?


The plan is to release the hostages and pressure them into accepting defeat. Afterward, the goal is to establish a government backed by a respected, stable country—one less corrupt than Egypt—to guide them toward self-governance eventually.

At present, I don’t see a viable path to a fully independent Palestinian state; perhaps some form of autonomy could be possible, but not full statehood.

In reality, Jordan could be seen as their state, but they want to control everything, which is where the issues arise.

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Quote (El1te @ 14 Nov 2024 19:24)
It was split in half though wasn't it?

https://i.imgur.com/VAZqgWR.png

https://i.imgur.com/hv3z4st.png

Jordan is that other half. The reason that Hamas & friends are not welcome in Jordan is because they gleefully and unrepentantly tried to murder the ruling family - this seems like a problem of their own making

I do completely agree though that it was a massive mistake for Israel to not simply annex Gaza and Samaria decades ago. That is a problem of their own making, their own weakness at the time


It wasn’t weakness; it was naivety and a lack of understanding of Arab culture.
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Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 14 2024 10:50am)
It wasn’t weakness; it was naivety and a lack of understanding of Arab culture.


Naivety and ignorance are manifestations of weakness

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Quote (El1te @ 14 Nov 2024 21:05)
Naivety and ignorance are manifestations of weakness


I dont agree

Naivety usually reflects a lack of experience or exposure rather than a personal weakness. Someone may be naive simply because they haven’t encountered certain situations yet.

Ignorance involves a lack of knowledge or awareness, but this can be addressed with learning and understanding. It doesn’t necessarily indicate weakness—just an area where knowledge is currently limited.

Weakness, in this context, might mean vulnerability, lack of resilience, or an inability to adapt.
If naivety or ignorance lead someone to repeated mistakes or poor decisions, they could make someone more vulnerable, which can be seen as a kind of weakness.

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Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 14 2024 11:24am)
I dont agree

Naivety usually reflects a lack of experience or exposure rather than a personal weakness. Someone may be naive simply because they haven’t encountered certain situations yet.

Ignorance involves a lack of knowledge or awareness, but this can be addressed with learning and understanding. It doesn’t necessarily indicate weakness—just an area where knowledge is currently limited.

Weakness, in this context, might mean vulnerability, lack of resilience, or an inability to adapt.
If naivety or ignorance lead someone to repeated mistakes or poor decisions, they could make someone more vulnerable, which can be seen as a kind of weakness.


I don't see how these are distinguishable from weakness - People are weak in various areas until they learn to become strong in those areas, be that understanding of Arab people, or physical weight training. Someone who weight trains can go from weak to strong, but that doesn't mean they weren't weak at the time. Israel has now gone from weak to strong in many areas.

Giving Sinai back to Egypt was weak. Not annexing Gaza and Samaria was weak. Funding and enabling the entire existence of Hamas was weak. You guys just have to take the L here (you already have which is great) and admit you were weak fools for decades

Israel is generally ignorant of the principal of cause and effect, ergo that makes them vulnerable and weak.

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Quote (El1te @ 14 Nov 2024 21:40)
I don't see how these are distinguishable from weakness - People are weak in various areas until they learn to become strong in those areas, be that understanding of Arab people, or physical weight training. Someone who weight trains can go from weak to strong, but that doesn't mean they weren't weak at the time. Israel has now gone from weak to strong in many areas.

Giving Sinai back to Egypt was weak. Not annexing Gaza and Samaria was weak. Funding and enabling the entire existence of Hamas was weak. You guys just have to take the L here (you already have which is great) and admit you were weak fools for decades

Israel is generally ignorant of the principal of cause and effect, ergo that makes them vulnerable and weak.


Okay Israel is weak
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Israel is the only country officially racist in the United Nations I know of.. points at the July 2018 nation law, which says Jews have a unique right to self-determination in Israel..= exclusive right ..Arabs have no right for self-determination .. Racist as fvck...
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